Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[mccole]

If we sold Digne and signed Mykolenko + Patterson or Ramsay then its a positive window.

If we signed both right backs then it would become an excellent one.

I know nothing of both Mykolenko or Patterson/Ramsay but losing Digne despite his form would weaken any team.

Sadly I'd rather we signed a right back ASAP because we are hamstrung by that position but if Digne wants to leave and we get £20-25m for him that's good for us.

January can't come quick enough for us personally because we have some big games and need players back and new players in.

 

[Ari]

I know nothing of both Mykolenko or Patterson/Ramsay but losing Digne despite his form would weaken any team.

I'm not saying you're wrong but the team is already weak. Digne is not making it stronger. He is a great player and a sellable asset.

 

[jazzy]

If you are charged, it makes a big difference. I don't want to get into enormous details, but hypothetically if you were charged by the police a crime of x,y or z employers will often suspend without pay.

Has he been charged?

The only announcement I've seen is that an Everton player is being investigated and ( if my memory serves me correctly ) was on police bail and suspended by the club.

If he had been charged then like the case of Mendy we would know about pre trial appearances and a trial date being fixed.

The silence has been deafening.

 

[Tree13]

My view would be, it would be very unlikely the club would be covering his wages.

I wont go into any more specifics, but this is why you have insurance.

I think you should go into specifics.

This topic has been covered before. He's almost certainly still getting paid.

1) business entities in England & Wales cannot take out insurance against illegal acts by employees - give me a link to a provider if you can prove otherwise

2) he's not been formally charged (unless someone knows different?), so there are no grounds for the employer to withhold salary for illegal activity / criminal activity

3) barring any bizarre and easily-challenged bail conditions, there's no way the criminal justice system can prevent him playing football whilst a charging decision is pending.

4) if the club chooses to "suspend" him, or otherwise not pick him, in the interim then that's the club's decision, but it isn't grounds for witholding salary

5) no agent on the planet would agree a contract containing any type of clause that would create a mechanism for witholding salary in the scenario described in 4) above.

6) gross misconduct clauses in contracts of employment exist to provide a mechanism by which an employer can unilaterally terminate said contract in the face of an egregious act that fundamentally undermines the relationship of trust between the employer and the employee. Being asked to attend a Police station in order to "assist with enquiries" doesn't meet the threshold. Being arrested, then released without charge, doesn't meet the threshold. Being bailed by the custody sergeant to reappear at a later date doesn't reach the threshold. There is an argument that merely being charged does not reach the threshold either - if the person maintains their innocence, elects for trial and is subsequently acquitted, why should they be punished by their employer BEFORE the trial even takes place?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I think you should go into specifics.

This topic has been covered before. He's almost certainly still getting paid.

1) business entities in England & Wales cannot take out insurance against illegal acts by employees - give me a link to a provider if you can prove otherwise

2) he's not been formally charged (unless someone knows different?), so there are no grounds for the employer to withhold salary for illegal activity / criminal activity

3) barring any bizarre and easily-challenged bail conditions, there's no way the criminal justice system can prevent him playing football whilst a charging decision is pending.

4) if the club chooses to "suspend" him, or otherwise not pick him, in the interim then that's the club's decision, but it isn't grounds for witholding salary

5) no agent on the planet would agree a contract containing any type of clause that would create a mechanism for witholding salary in the scenario described in 4) above.

6) gross misconduct clauses in contracts of employment exist to provide a mechanism by which an employer can unilaterally terminate said contract in the face of an egregious act that fundamentally undermines the relationship of trust between the employer and the employee. Being asked to attend a Police station in order to "assist with enquiries" doesn't meet the threshold. Being arrested, then released without charge, doesn't meet the threshold. Being bailed by the custody sergeant to reappear at a later date doesn't reach the threshold. There is an argument that merely being charged does not reach the threshold either - if the person maintains their innocence, elects for trial and is subsequently acquitted, why should they be punished by their employer BEFORE the trial even takes place?

This seems to make more sense than anything else I've read.

And while an employer may have the right to suspend an employee due to 'possible' future negative repercussions, the emloyee would always be suspended with full pay.

 

[Littlesue]

Has he been charged?

The only announcement I've seen is that an Everton player is being investigated and ( if my memory serves me correctly ) was on police bail and suspended by the club.

If he had been charged then like the case of Mendy we would know about pre trial appearances and a trial date being fixed.

The silence has been deafening.

Not charged yet I believe

 

[Bluebonic]

I think ‘innocent until proven guilty’ still applies in the UK, so nobody (in particular fans of the team) should be condemning the lad based on hearsay. It wouldn't be the first time somebody has made fraudulent claims against a famous person.

 

[Trublue12]

I'm not saying you're wrong but the team is already weak. Digne is not making it stronger. He is a great player and a sellable asset.

Selling Dinge, makes business sense. He is 28 probably the last year a player in his position will be worth a lot of money. His value will start to drop in the next couple of years.

Due to ffp, we need to sell to buy. There are 3 or 4 players I would sooner go but no one will buy them. Maybe Iwobi will have a fantastic African Nations and someone will think its a good idea.

 

[The_Riddler]

Are there any actual links to Ramsay?

 

[samsonthedog1]

Ramsey or Centoze would be cheaper than Patterson, but all depends on how much we have to spend.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I think ‘innocent until proven guilty’ still applies in the UK, so nobody (in particular fans of the team) should be condemning the lad based on hearsay. It wouldn't be the first time somebody has made fraudulent claims against a famous person.

It’s quite possible this whole affair has come about because “ The defendant “ was maybe protecting himself against future blackmail.

 

[Nymzee]

Lads, you will end up getting banned if you keep talking about our number 10.

 

[cronullasharks]

Lads, you will end up getting banned if you keep talking about our number 10.

Why, what's he done?

 

[Nymzee]

Why, what's he done?

Ate the rest of the pigs in blankets the swine.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Lads, you will end up getting banned if you keep talking about our number 10.

Well said. I came here read about rumours and opinions about transfers.