Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[CairnsToffee]

See the horse punchers are after Nunes, the lad we were after in the summer

Once they get him in they are prepared to take offers on players transfer listed or in the last six months of their contract?

 

[BlueToff]

I’d hope tbh that transfer lists would have aligned. Considering where we are as a club, what we need moving forward, the budget available to us, the wages we can pay, there’s probably only a certain number of names in each position that are genuine viable targets. If Benitez came in and said ‘I want this player’ and the scouting department were like ‘never seen him before mate’ I’d be extremely worried as to what we’ve been doing for the last 7 years. Every player Benitez mentions should have to some level been scouted by Everton.

Considering the removal of Brands and Steinsson though, I somehow doubt that Benitez is accepting previously arranged deals that they put in place, or blindly accepting their scouting tips for Moshiri and Bill to progress. Never in a million years.

Benitez signed off on Patterson in the summer mate - we bid £5m for him. Would have gone up to £8m but that's all we had available because at that stage James hadn't gone and the Kean deal wasn't confirmed either.

I think we're overpaying for the lad but it's a good long-term signing.

I reckon it was always pretty likely we'd go back in for Patterson. Consider that against AMN, who was the option on loan for us. Benitez didn't want anything but a loan for him (which is fair enough) and there was never any talk of us going back in for him in January.

As I said in my other post, the only downside to the Mykolenko deal for me is the way the Digne situation has been handled. What Benitez did the other day was a travesty. Not against the player himself, he's a big boy on a lot of money, but it cost the team, for the sake of making a point (which was I'm going to put you on the bench but not bring you on when it's clear you're needed, and actually play a system that would allow your natural game to show). And that's a disgrace. From any manager. But Benitez has form for it.

The issue with doing stuff like that is it weakens our bargaining power completely when it comes to clubs taking Digne. We should be looking at £30m to sell a player of his quality in the middle of the season, had everything been handled correctly. Instead we'll be lucky to get any obligation to buy.

 

[Raino85]

Surely Besiktas paying the portion of his wages they would pay if they got him on a free and us making that up over the next 6 months to what he would have got here is an option?

As long as Besiktas were paying him a decent wage that was in line with Turkish contracts then that's probably the best we'd get to save a few hundred thousand. Not great but what else to expect?

Thats not how Turkish teams work.
They will rinse as much as they can out of it!
And so they should

 

[BlueToff]

See the horse punchers are after Nunes, the lad we were after in the summer

Once they get him in they are prepared to take offers on players transfer listed or in the last six months of their contract?

You mean Sean Longstaff? Great.

 

[BlueToff]

Something you have absolutely NO evidence to suggest is the case.

Errrr... Paul Joyce and Simon Hughes both wrote in the summer, with very well-informed articles and quotes from within Everton's coaching team (ahem), that Brands' team was working on all of the right-back targets and presented Patterson to Benitez.

Benitez liked Patterson and signed off on the deal. Clearly he's retained that interest.

That isn't a slight on Benitez. He was presented with a player and liked the look of the lad. Maybe he also knew the player before, that's fair to say too. But both of these FBs were scouted previously before Benitez arrived at the club. He still has/had the autonomy to sign off on them though and that's what he's done.

It's not hard, Dave. It's really not.

 

[davek]

Errrr... Paul Joyce and Simon Hughes both wrote in the summer, with very well-informed articles and quotes from within Everton's coaching team (ahem), that Brands' team was working on all of the right-back targets and presented Patterson to Benitez.

Benitez liked Patterson and signed off on the deal. Clearly he's retained that interest.

That isn't a slight on Benitez. He was presented with a player and liked the look of the lad. Maybe he also knew the player before, that's fair to say too. But both of these FBs were scouted previously before Benitez arrived at the club. He still has/had the autonomy to sign off on them though and that's what he's done.

It's not hard, Dave. It's really not.

Do you have a direct quote?

 

[Cow kecks]

No, I actually think a lot of other people do wish we were though just to prove some agendas.

Gray, Mykolenko, Patterson as his first signings he’s spent a fee on. All young quick players with attacking ability as well. It’s a shame when facts don’t fit agendas.

Think you might have got the his and he's wrong there mate!

 

[BlueToff]

Do you have a direct quote?

From Paul Joyce? I posted in the transfer thread back on September 1st. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ssness-of-previous-everton-managers-qwsljg5bd

Here's a quote from that article from the coaching staff (wonder who that was...)

“The team wasn’t coached for 18 months,” was the rather damning verdict of one senior member of staff at Everton. Yet Benítez is not a magician and he will be unhappy with how the window has played out.

Here's the bit about the signings and who made them...

Everton are fortunate that Benítez kept in touch with Townsend from his time on loan at Newcastle, as well as Rondon — who he worked with at Newcastle and Dalian Pro — and persuaded both to sign up. He also had the contacts to set up the deals for Gray and Begovic.

That Benítez has done so neatly turns the spotlight on the director of football, Marcel Brands, who is supposed to set the course in which the club is headed.

Much of the fall-out among supporters around the lack of signings has centred on Everton’s failed search for a right back to compete with the captain, Seamus Coleman.

Brands put forward names. He seemed preoccupied with the Holland international Denzel Dumfries, who moved to Inter Milan. Two failed bids were submitted for the Rangers teenager Nathan Patterson. There was also a push for Arsenal’s Ainsley Maitland-Niles, but Benítez was never keen on the England international.

 

[BlueToff]

God this last bit made me laugh lol he's been sat on his arse for the last few weeks, and when he does direct the players, he directs them wrong.

God the comments too. Our fans are idiots.

As Sky Sports pundits continued their dissection of Everton’s business, Paul Merson declared that Benítez now had a squad of “honest players” who would ensure the manager could “sit on the bench and not have to get up again” during the entirety of the game in the knowledge he knows exactly what they will offer.
He clearly has not seen this group too often or for that matter Benítez, a coach who used to direct Steven Gerrard, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano into position every week.
No, starting again against Burnley on September 13, Benítez will be up and down, up and down, conducting Everton’s orchestra in the hope he continues to get a tune out of them.

 

[CairnsToffee]

You mean Sean Longstaff? Great.

Think he will go to Forest mate, that’s his level

Can’t believe we would bring this guy in, ability wise?

 

[Thomasc]

No, I actually think a lot of other people do wish we were though just to prove some agendas.

Gray, Mykolenko, Patterson as his first signings he’s spent a fee on. All young quick players with attacking ability as well. It’s a shame when facts don’t fit agendas.

What on earth are you blathering in about? You actually believe people want us to make bad signings just to further prove Benitez is a clown?

We are in danger of going down if this carries on and nobody on here wants that, get a grip!

 

[davek]

From Paul Joyce? I posted in the transfer thread back on September 1st. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ssness-of-previous-everton-managers-qwsljg5bd

Here's a quote from that article from the coaching staff (wonder who that was...)

“The team wasn’t coached for 18 months,” was the rather damning verdict of one senior member of staff at Everton. Yet Benítez is not a magician and he will be unhappy with how the window has played out.

Here's the bit about the signings and who made them...

Everton are fortunate that Benítez kept in touch with Townsend from his time on loan at Newcastle, as well as Rondon — who he worked with at Newcastle and Dalian Pro — and persuaded both to sign up. He also had the contacts to set up the deals for Gray and Begovic.

That Benítez has done so neatly turns the spotlight on the director of football, Marcel Brands, who is supposed to set the course in which the club is headed.

Much of the fall-out among supporters around the lack of signings has centred on Everton’s failed search for a right back to compete with the captain, Seamus Coleman.

Brands put forward names. He seemed preoccupied with the Holland international Denzel Dumfries, who moved to Inter Milan. Two failed bids were submitted for the Rangers teenager Nathan Patterson. There was also a push for Arsenal’s Ainsley Maitland-Niles, but Benítez was never keen on the England international.

But that's hardly conclusive, is it?

It suggests Brands was preoccupied by Dumfries.

Maybe, maybe not.

But Brands isn't here now and...for good or bad...Patterson will be a Benitez signing.

 

[Tel001]

I'd add Digne ( better than Cucerella) , Doucoure ( would look great alongside Bissouma ).

I forgot about douc but I was going off the team that was playing man for man the other day. Digne would but I already class him as an ex player now sadly

 

[Tel001]

Richy ?

I was going man for man that were on the pitch ,

 

[navidson]

So we were allowed to spend minus £35m this January - and we've seemingly already spent another £32m

So where is the £67m shortfall going to be made up?