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Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

Zatara said:
Ive never heard of a deal where the entire fee is paid for an initial loan...then the permanent obligation is for zero.

The reason being that would be the same as a straight sale!

As I said, the Maupay deal is totally different. Its a loan for this season for a small fee and then an obligation in the summer for it to become permanent

That kind of deal has been used for years in Italy.
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Nah mate it’s happening all the time covert loans in place in place for eventual sales with the particulars negotiated to suit PSR requirements that might be at players.

It’s not the same as a straight sale the player Ammortisation goes into an additional year, so you get the benifit of an additional year a amortisation of the book price.

Maupays obligation will see him essentially be pure profit for us as his contract will be fully ammortisatied by the end of this season - that’s why did a loan.

I want debating the point I was making to be honest, just making illustrating it. ;)
 
Eggs said:
…..but the DoF is paid lots of money to manage the transfer strategy, even on a limited budget. As you said, the squad is devoid of quality :lol: :lol: :lol:

The bottom line is, is this the best we could ask for with the circa £100m that’s been spent, not forgetting the series of ineffective loans that have been brought in. No innovation, no obvious knowledge of global markets, no pace, no power, no quality just mediocrity.

The number of players out of contract next season is a massive concern, especially going into a relegation fight. It could make the difference in application and attitude if players are not going to be here next season, and even if we do stay up there’s literally 10 players needed next summer. What a total mess.

I think it was Leicester in a similar position when they got relegated.

You need to get back on your computer game, Zat, and come up with some lists :dance:
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The fact is that over the last 5 years Everton are the only Premiership Club with a positive net spend. So have by extension invested the least amount of money into the squad, and you are surprised by it lacks quality? I don’t think any of us have any idea how good or bad a DOF Thelwell is, as he has been operating under the tightest financial conditions of any club in the Premier League since his arrival.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
With Beto, we signed him 29th Aug. Window shut 2 days later.

We had to sell that window first/make a profit and defer spend to later.

The season had started.

We were bottom of the league after 3 games, having not scored a goal.

Eventually we sign a player who was available for literally £0 upfront. There's not many of them.

We paid a premium for him under that arrangement, but we would never have signed him if hands weren't tied. If he was a priority he'd have been in earlier.

I think O'Brien was different - I think it was Textor shenanigans. He was never starting for us this season, we didn't need to spend that money on cover at centre half. It was reported he was a "recruitment team signing" - in other words, Dyche didn't want him.

It's the reality of significant migitating circumstances with Everton's recruitment challenges over the last 3-4 years, caused by ownership.

We've brought in players I dont think Thelwell, nevermind Dyche would have wanted the last few years. Harrison, just because a clause allows £0. Even the likes of Lindstrom - he was far down the list.
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Actually disagree about Lindstrom mate, I think Thelwell had him high up the list, the first links we had with the lad were very early on prior to any of the other wide players linked moving to other clubs - remember negotiations with Napoli would have likely taken a whilst giving their owners track record of being a pita to do deals with.

Note btw, we paid a decent up front loan fee for Lindstrom and very unusual for a loan he's already agreed a permanent contract with the club come the summer if we activate the clause. Never heard about that being a frequent thing for sure
 

malcson said:
The fact is that over the last 5 years Everton are the only Premiership Club with a positive net spend. So have by extension invested the least amount of money into the squad, and you are surprised by it lacks quality? I don’t think any of us have any idea how good or bad a DOF Thelwell is, as he has been operating under the tightest financial conditions of any club in the Premier League since his arrival.
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….we seem to accept the mediocrity because we have limited spend. There’s no innovation, nothing unearthed, just the going rate for players that are ordinary. Even the loan signings are underwhelming in the main.

The situation with so many first teamers out of contract in the summer should also be a major concern and is a further indication of the mess our approach has been.
 
ForeverEverton said:
3 wins in 18 clearly isnt deemed enough for sacking a manager by TFG so I assume 6 in 38 would not be either.... we are stuck with Dyche, relegation or not, TFG don`t seem aresed at all or they would be doing something about it, but they aren`t.

They don`t care as long as Roma are OK, we are secondary... why do I say that? The second results went south at Roma Di Rossi, who is god in them parts, was swiftly removed yet this idiot is allowed to just carry on as usual. IF we were in anyway a priority and IF TFG knew anything about the club or what the fans wanted this guy would be kicked to Mars by now.... he isn`t and further more they are having him and going to back him in the Jan window.

Baffling, TFG will be up there with Venkys, they are just sat there letting it implode!
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The takeover was only complete on 19th December TFG will need time to assess everything properly and decide where the problems are, if TFG had been here for a season I am sure they would have changed the manager already. TFG are not going to sit on the side lines and see us be relegated, mainly because it would wipe out a significant value of the club and put us at risk of further sanctions from the football league.

When they sacked Di Rossi TFG had been owners of Roma club for nearly 4 years, they had all their own people in place, Marc Watts is the new Executive Chairman and Ana Dunkel, the CFO, we will see in the next few weeks if they back Dyche or Thelwell in this transfer window.

To me it seems that the two of them are at odds over signings as we have players like O'Brien who was signed and has not played, Beto who was signed and has hardly played and is now possibly moving on. TFG said in their statement that their priority was to strengthen the mens first team squad through thoughtful and strategic investment. That says they will be bringing in players this month, if they dont I am sure they will be judged accordingly. But its a bit early in their tenure to be all doom and gloom and comparing them to the Venkys.
 

Blue Willy said:
Strange conclusion to come to - easy tiger.
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Bryan+ said:
ay Zat. Wtf?
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How else would you describe someone who has no concept of money?

Picking apart a person at the club, in this case Thelwell (in every possible imaginary way), for not spending money he hasnt been given....for generating profit on players and not actually spending huge sums (that he doesnt have) on top quality players.

Its like @Eggs believes you can walk into a supermarket and pickup whatever you want and not pay for it....

...the same as he believes that signing a star player for ZERO money down is easy -- yet cannot give any examples of it.

Nothing wrong with my post accusing someone of not living in the real world...they clearly do not know the value of money...revenue, profit/loss, FFP & PSR.

Realities they attribute to playing a computer game. I'd say that this attitude is attributed to the wealthy person who has never worked a day in their life.

No one other than a dimwitted idiot (which i dont believe he is) or someone with no concept of monetary value would believe any DOF could magically have a team full of quality when they have no money and in fact need to drive sales for the club to exist.

malcson said:
The fact is that over the last 5 years Everton are the only Premiership Club with a positive net spend. So have by extension invested the least amount of money into the squad, and you are surprised by it lacks quality? I don’t think any of us have any idea how good or bad a DOF Thelwell is, as he has been operating under the tightest financial conditions of any club in the Premier League since his arrival.
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Apparently a positive net spend means the DOF should be signing quality players for no money down...and their current clubs would be able to replace these players for free as some kind of favour to us?

Its like the lightbulb needs to be fixed for the reality to make sense...at the moment its not even blinking.

We also should have extended the dross which is out of contract this summer...

...because they may not be motivated to showcase their abilities to earn their next move.

Its somewhat of a riddle...where money means nothing and ability is secondary to reality.

bluestevon said:
Actually disagree about Lindstrom mate, I think Thelwell had him high up the list, the first links we had with the lad were very early on prior to any of the other wide players linked moving to other clubs - remember negotiations with Napoli would have likely taken a whilst giving their owners track record of being a pita to do deals with.

Note btw, we paid a decent up front loan fee for Lindstrom and very unusual for a loan he's already agreed a permanent contract with the club come the summer if we activate the clause. Never heard about that being a frequent thing for sure
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Theres almost always a fee for a loan and the buy options are also quite frequent.

Not sure why you believe otherwise?

You can look back to the high fees we were quoted for Zouma which i think were £6mil a season.
 
Eggs said:
….we seem to accept the mediocrity because we have limited spend. There’s no innovation, nothing unearthed, just the going rate for players that are ordinary. Even the loan signings are underwhelming in the main.

The situation with so many first teamers out of contract in the summer should also be a major concern and is a further indication of the mess our approach has been.
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There has been no "limited spend"

Try NEGATIVE SPEND.

"Going rate of players" meaning what, NO MONEY DOWN is the "going rate" on which alternate reality?

Free loan signings are "underwhelming"...colour me shocked.

Out of contract crap players being a "major concern" and not a massive opportunity


No idea what your agenda is here but i think you should ask your mrs to turn you off and on again...
 

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