TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
It's a shame that he's basically tossed his development away going to clubs that won't give him games. He's played 26 games but 800 minutes. You can't do anything like that.
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Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Should be (euro) 3.5mil loan fee + 28mil end of next season.
As @Stephenlloyd said, they may want to bring the deal forward so estimate £25mil this summer if it happens.
The total i estimated was £75mil for Kean, Gbamin, Gomes, Allan, Mina, Keane and Holgate...
...then i think my £10mil for each of the centre backs was fair.
We can only base it on estimated transfer fees / wages on a year by year basis.
But by doing that we also dont know exactly what 'saving' were making on the books from the out of contract players and any sold players.
Sigurdsson would be circa £9mil amortization + 5mil+ in wages so thats £14mil off the books annually alone.
If we sold £75mil worth of players + the out of contract and loan players left thats a lot of money in wages and amortized fees.
Id expect us to be able to spend the entire amount on fees but (obviously) trim the bloated squad and add players on lower wages.
If we did that for this and next summer then the actual player turnover should be high (which helps with the rules) and costs reduced substantially.
I dont think Thelwell or Lampard would take that approach.
If we moved out a significant number of players and 'only' brought in 3 or 4 younger players with high potential then i think thats both cost effective and adds building blocks to the squad.
Theres a core group of 'young' players that could be the foundation of the squad:
18-22: Branthwaite, Patterson, Mykolenko, Gordon, Dobbin
23-25: Richarlison, DCL, Godfrey, Iwobi, Gray.
Im sure some of these will be moved on in the summer but as an example, thats 10 players that in theory could be in the squad next season.
Add 4 to those groups and of course its 14 'young' players in the squad + 3 keepers....were at 17 squad size already.
I think it takes this and next summer using good recruitment and generating solid sale values before were in a much better place.
Just looking at Chelsea, Gilmour and Colwill could join permanently for reasonably low fees....Broja and Gallagher may be attainable on loan.
Already that would have a big impact on performance for minimal outlay.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
I think we will be lucky if we see even 80% of player sale revenue reinvested this summer. Truth be told, that should be what we aim to do any as transfer profits will be absolute gold dust as we phase out a £100+million loss year and bring in a surplus year for our 3 year rolling period.
People need to put these ridiculous flights of fancy aside about 'not selling our best players'. Newsflash, we are 17th and we are absolutely abysmal so we obviously don't have any good players. The club must listen to offers for players that will bring in the most revenue this summer, like Pickford, Richarlison and DCL. They will bring in far more in revenue then they are actually worth to team. Coupled with the out of contract players as well as players we can realistically sell like Mina and Allan, we should be attempting a major upheaval this summer.
Fans expectations will obviously need to be realigned. European football is absolute Dreamland stuff for the next 2-3 years. We must place our trust in Lampard, Thelwell and new young and hungry team to ride out the transition period away from the relegation zone and the losses that we've see over the last 3 year rolling period. It will be really difficult but it's certainly not impossible.
People need to put these ridiculous flights of fancy aside about 'not selling our best players'. Newsflash, we are 17th and we are absolutely abysmal so we obviously don't have any good players. The club must listen to offers for players that will bring in the most revenue this summer, like Pickford, Richarlison and DCL. They will bring in far more in revenue then they are actually worth to team. Coupled with the out of contract players as well as players we can realistically sell like Mina and Allan, we should be attempting a major upheaval this summer.
Fans expectations will obviously need to be realigned. European football is absolute Dreamland stuff for the next 2-3 years. We must place our trust in Lampard, Thelwell and new young and hungry team to ride out the transition period away from the relegation zone and the losses that we've see over the last 3 year rolling period. It will be really difficult but it's certainly not impossible.
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
Why didnt the club do that last summer? When DCL had just scored 20 goals, Pickford off the back of a good Euro’s. Could have got really good money for them two
…it’s that time of year where @Zatara does his ’shift these out’ lists and ‘bring in £x’.
The reality is, it’s difficult to shift ordinary players on extraordinary contracts. No matter how badly we rate individuals, it’s safe to assume they’ll be here next season. That situation will be made harder if we go down a level.
The reality is, it’s difficult to shift ordinary players on extraordinary contracts. No matter how badly we rate individuals, it’s safe to assume they’ll be here next season. That situation will be made harder if we go down a level.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
So you dont think anyone will be sold?
Dymak
Player Valuation: £40m
We do have several players that will be in demand and capable of obtaining considerable transfer fees. We will HAVE to replace them if they are sold. Failing to replace our better players will do nothing but guarantee relegation next season. If we sell, we will spend imo.
For one thing, we didn't have a manager for a couple of months; for another, I expect that we felt we needed a goalkeeper and we didn't know Calvert-Lewin would miss half the season with injuries and we were depending on him to get goals for us.
People will be sold/released, but it’s no longer a case of “we’ve made £x so we can afford to spend 5 x £x on transfers”, and then cue your fanciful list of players we’ll never sign.
Thelwell is surely our last roll of the dice at getting the sorting of this current mess right. We need, for a change, to sell high and buy low. The likes of Carvalho from Fulham are exactly the types of transfers we should have been sniffing around and, while I know it’s easier said than done to just replicate another model, Palace have shown what shopping in the lower leagues can do.
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
We will be stuck with some players, that’s the way it will be, hopefully we can shift enough to balance that out.
Probably we will loan some IE Gbamin, Gomes
….I think it’ll be difficult, Zat. Sadly, the most sellable asset is Richarlison. Issue is, we really need him to stay. Of the others, do we think any are keen to move? Maybe Mina.
it then becomes a matter of;
How long is left on contract?
Does another team want the player? Can they meet the clubs valuation and make the move financially attractive to the player.
We know this isn’t rocket science. If a move is to be financially attractive for somebody like Keane, I suspect we’d have to almost give him away given his salary and length of contract. Sadly, the lure of regular football is secondary for these blokes & I can’t blame them for that.
As @Stephenlloyd suggests, loans might be the only way of getting some off the books.
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
I referring to some fans on here saying we need to sell this summer. To cover these losses that have been there 3 yrs and we are not going to spend much.
And we had a DOF to do the deals. Appointing a manger wouldn’t have been the main focus of the summer if we needed 100mil bringing in.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
The club massively overstated it's hand last summer. Given that the realisation that we were on the brink of breaking P&S rules belatedly set in, I'm sure they thought that a squad that had just finished tenth (but had operated higher than that for the vast majority of the season) would have no issues with comfortably playing out a season far away from danger under a pragmatic manager with no investment.
However, when you throw in that last season was a sham due to it being played behind closed doors, our new manager had an unwinnable scenario with the fans and the players were all too happy to hide behind him and probably the worst injury crisis we've ever seen, an average team quickly becomes a very bad one. A legendary manager couldn't get results with this lot last season unless he parked two JCBs in front of the goal and looked to nick one with a corner. So the signs were there that the true level of our players was far lower than what we 'achieved' last season.
The small matter of our owner being a colossal idiot also plays a factor, as was that utter balloon Marcel Brands.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
I've no doubt that we'll reinvest if we sell, I just seriously doubt that we'll reinvest everything we sell. Not that we need to, it's entirely possible through correct due diligence and proper scouting to replace our wasters with money left over. If we got something like £50m for Richarlison, ambitious but probably not impossible, then there's absolutely a scenario whereby you could replace him with two players from the Championship who cost around or less than £20m each and the squad wouldn't suffer. That same principle absolutely applies to Pickford and Calvert-Lewin too.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Personally think there’ll be some mad clause in that deal and he’ll be back here either this summer or next. I don’t trust Brands one bit to have negotiated an actual obligation to buy.
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