Everton Summer transfers 2021

[Zatara]

Correa and Cunha, looks like we’re prioritising a second striker over a RW? Maybe Gray has been better than they thought

Cunha can play CF, Support striker or on the left...

Are you saying that if they sell him the buy-back clause is cancelled? I really doubt that's how it works.

You are an absolute genius sir.
Obviously it would depend on the wording of the contract but if this was a s worded along the lines of " Chelsea receive 50% of any fee over £25 m for the sale of the player " this would work entirely in defeating any sell on to Chelsea.
However these clauses usually refer a % of any profit made by the selling club , so 50 % of any fee over £5 m goes to Chelsea.
Anyway why would Southampton want to sell him for less than he's worth?

Well I think the buy back effectively gives them the option if you sell the player im not sure his a club who owned him the employer before last can place demands on any contract at his latest employer .

Otherwise where does it end ,in 8 years Chelsea still have a £25m but back option when he’s moved 6 times ? There deal is with Southampton , I can’t see how it rolls on .

You are quite correct. The concept of privity of contract would prevent Chelsea tying the hands of any club buying the player from Southampton.
The only " equivalent " is where you buy a piece of land subject to certain restrictions ( easements ) which give the original seller rights over the land which can be enforced by the original seller even though he or she are not a party to the second contract.
However this is only amicable in Land law.
I suppose that technically 3rd party ownership would be a way around this but my understanding is that such arrangements are prohibited.

No 3rd party ownership allowed. The last time I think was when Tevez and Macherano joined West Ham on loan deals to get around the rules.

If Chelsea have a £25mil option then I would assume if his value increases substantially and Real Madrid offer £50mil then Chelsea can match it with £25mil.

However, if he was to move on a deal under £25mil then the agreement becomes useless to Chelsea who, if they wanted to match an offer e.g £10mil would simply offer £10mil.

Having seen him play, Id gladly ask Southampton if they want to double their money.

 

[DaChunk]

Maybe they're swap Hamez for a RB ?

 

[Zatara]

Cunha and Richarlison played very well together in the Olympics.
However, and I haven't watched him at Hertha , he looked more of a 2nd central striker rather than a wide player to me.

I think for us he would be extremely effective at holding the ball up and bringing others into play + brings alot of workrate.

He would halp Richarlison and DCL focus on their strengths i think.

Hes played on the left for them, centre forward and behind the forward.

Im not sure where he would fit in for us, but hes a very good player with a lot of potential.

Didnt watch the Olympics so cant comment on that.

 

[jazzy]

Cunha can play CF, Support striker or on the left...









No 3rd party ownership allowed. The last time I think was when Tevez and Macherano joined West Ham on loan deals to get around the rules.

If Chelsea have a £25mil option then I would assume if his value increases substantially and Real Madrid offer £50mil then Chelsea can match it with £25mil.

However, if he was to move on a deal under £25mil then the agreement becomes useless to Chelsea who, if they wanted to match an offer e.g £10mil would simply offer £10mil.

Having seen him play, Id gladly ask Southampton if they want to double their money.

Why would Southampton sell for £10m?
OK they double their money but as we have found won't be able to replace him adequately for that fee.
I'd keep hold of him, let him play and see his value rocket.
If they were mindful of playing dirty to Chelsea and the clause is as you say sell him for £24.9 m next season or the season after.

 

[jazzy]

I think for us he would be extremely effective at holding the ball up and bringing others into play + brings alot of workrate.

He would halp Richarlison and DCL focus on their strengths i think.

Hes played on the left for them, centre forward and behind the forward.

Im not sure where he would fit in for us, but hes a very good player with a lot of potential.

Didnt watch the Olympics so cant comment on that.

Good player but don't see him DCL and Richarlison playing together.
Of course there is rotation but not at this level of investment for a team with our finances

 

[Barnfred 55]

You are correct it probably won’t buy much end product.

We have needed a right back for about three years. The situation was absolutely desperate last year. So to see the solution being an untried right back from the scottish league, I’m a little nervous.

I like the fact that people think he has potential so in that sense it’s good.

My problem is that when Coleman inevitably gets injured, will we use him or will it be back to Holgate. My suspicion is that it will be Holgate and we are no better off than last season.

Im happy to be proved wrong, but going on recent history, managers use experienced players over rookies every time. Nkounkou has barely played, and didn’t get a chance when Digne was injured. We seem to have gone from Dumphries who would have been a starter to a player who probably wont be ready for at least a season.

Who knows, Maybe Benitez will take a different view and give him a chance. At least we are looking at a player for a position that needs attention.

Let’s wait and see.

Yeah, agree with that mate.

There's 2 topics for discussion here. Let's deal with the finances first. As you have been at pains to tell us throughout the window, we are hamstrung by the Premier Leagues FFP rules. It took a long time for it to sink in with some of us, me included, but it is now abundantly clear that we have minimal funs to play with unless we sell players. In a depressed market, like we're in at the moment, it is very difficult to offload the players we want to, which means we have to use what money we have wisely. It's a simple choice really, use the money to buy an average experienced player, use the money to bring in a better than average experienced player on loan for a season, or use the money to buy potential. For me, the first option is a simple none starter. Then it get's more difficult. Do we solve our immediate problem, or do we look at the long term. Personally I would like us to look to the long term, but I can understand people maybe wanting to bring in the likes of Trippier on loan.

The second topic is whether we have a manager who would take a risk with young players. I've posted quite a bit lately about successive managers at Everton not trusting young players enough. Prime example was Carlo last season who should have given more game time to Nkounkou and Gordon early in the season when their confidence was high and when Richie and Digne were unavailable. Silva wasn't much better and don't get me started on Big Sam. Is Benitez different? Would he start youngsters like Patterson? I don't know. My head tells me no he wouldn't, but I have to say I've enjoyed watching us in the 2 games this season a lot more than I did in the second half of last season under Carlo, so in that regard I've been wrong about him already.

 

[Bebeto]

Marcel is biding his time.

So much so that we'll end up with a desperate signing on deadline day similar to the iwobi signing...thats what happens when you wait until the last minute and thinking that you're clever than everybody else...when in fact they're all playing the same game

 

[Bebeto]

According to atletico itk, Cunha is just a backup option in case they fail to sign Vlahovic...and bearing in mind that it looks unlikely that they will get vlahovic, Cunha will end up at atletico.

 

[BlueToff]

Id actually prefer Cunha to James

He'd be very effective holding the ball up in this Benitez team and I think he would allow others to play to their strengths.

For the £5mil weve bid for Patterson, it could mean £25mil deal for Cunha (on a 5 year contract).

Hopefully we have some outgoings and can get both...

99% sure he will go to Atletico though lol



Hes not 'untried' though? Hes played for Rangers and has 2 caps at 19.

Look at the other 19 year olds in the league who have made a big impact.



Yes, it would actually be a masterstroke.

Yeah I didn't mean one or the other, I just meant as in I'd rather keep James than him go to Atleti.

Cunha is a great player, really like the look of him.

 

[toffee66]

Chelsea inserted a buy-back clause in the Livramento sale. One of the reasons James took so long was us rejecting Real’s buy-back request. It was the same with Digne from Barca. It just seems to be a Brands red line.

Not that I think we were interested in the lad as Brands wanted Dumfries...Rafael not so keen.

The need for a RB is obvious but I think we are looking for one to share the load with Coleman and emerge as FT starter next season & that might put some players off.

We also need the manager & DoF to agree on someone rather than one or other having a dominant say.

The fact we are having to be very careful financially obviously does not help either.

Like it or not sometimes reality is more difficult than we as fans want to admit.

 

[davek]

Thing is we whinge endlessly about how other clubs manage to pick up all this young unknown talent that either blossom into top players or get snapped up by the big boys. They all come from "farmers leagues" so no risk,no reward. What will 5m get you in today's market other than potential?

They never pay £10M to £15M, which is what his club are hinting at.

Let's move on.

 

[davek]

This seems slightly ridiculous seeing as he made some decent tackles and blocks in both games

Not that ridiculous. 10 men are often more solid than 11.

 

[davek]

Slide back into the real world.

Everton are a small club.

I cant believe this attitude.

Small club that happen to be the 4th most successful club in Britain.

I think you've been brow beaten one too many times by the Kopites mate.

 

[lancs blue]

Andre wisdom is available on a freebie. Could be a worthwhile back up for a season

Take yer pick

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[Bluestar]

Yeah, agree with that mate.

There's 2 topics for discussion here. Let's deal with the finances first. As you have been at pains to tell us throughout the window, we are hamstrung by the Premier Leagues FFP rules. It took a long time for it to sink in with some of us, me included, but it is now abundantly clear that we have minimal funs to play with unless we sell players. In a depressed market, like we're in at the moment, it is very difficult to offload the players we want to, which means we have to use what money we have wisely. It's a simple choice really, use the money to buy an average experienced player, use the money to bring in a better than average experienced player on loan for a season, or use the money to buy potential. For me, the first option is a simple none starter. Then it get's more difficult. Do we solve our immediate problem, or do we look at the long term. Personally I would like us to look to the long term, but I can understand people maybe wanting to bring in the likes of Trippier on loan.

The second topic is whether we have a manager who would take a risk with young players. I've posted quite a bit lately about successive managers at Everton not trusting young players enough. Prime example was Carlo last season who should have given more game time to Nkounkou and Gordon early in the season when their confidence was high and when Richie and Digne were unavailable. Silva wasn't much better and don't get me started on Big Sam. Is Benitez different? Would he start youngsters like Patterson? I don't know. My head tells me no he wouldn't, but I have to say I've enjoyed watching us in the 2 games this season a lot more than I did in the second half of last season under Carlo, so in that regard I've been wrong about him already.

Agree with all of that.