Everton Summer transfers 2021

[Stephenlloyd]

We spent £60m last year on fees - and that was probably too much, but worth it for what we got.

We added James on big wages/signing on fee. Allan won't be getting paid peanuts. Doucoure a decent whack.

We'll be able to offset that by the tosh that's going out of the door this summer on frees and, fingers crossed, adding Bernard and Tosun to that (over 200k a week right there saved).

Then we'll have Kean to sell.

Fact remains, we don't 'need' to spend £100m to get the players in we need to improve us. We've seen what £60m can do. The aim will be to do that again, and if we need to spend more then we'll have to hope those sales/cuts to the squad have been made, but the point of Brands' job is to kind of get the best we can for the cheapest amount.

There's also the small matter of a 52,000-seater stadium we're building.

Liverpool bought a player for 45mil last summer and put down 4mil as a payment. Arsenal bought Pepe the summer before for 72mil and again paid a very small initial payment.

we could spend 200mil but put down 50mil max

 

[BlueToff]

Blah blah blah
Same things that were said last summer

Let’s see. We have a billionaire account who got 30mil of his mate just to first dips on the stadium. FFP might not even be a thing this year.

And we spent £60m and still left ourselves short in three key positions, one of which we've filled by bringing in a 29-yr-old from Bournemouth on a 5-month contract for a nominal fee of below £1m and pretty low wages, relatively speaking.

 

[evertony]

The Athletic were one of them.

The Athletic lads don't chat wham. They'll have been conservative in their estimates, perhaps, but didn't actually put a figure out. Their sources come from the club or elements around the club - a lot of agents. As far as Everton goes, they're probably the most reliable there is right now along with the usual ones.

If anybody's expecting us - right now - to have £100m to flop about, then you're being daft.

No fans in the crowd, bar three games, for a year. It'll be 17 months by the time they're back (at the earliest).

I'm not saying we're skint. I'm making the point that we're going to have to make £50m go further than spending it on one player.

OK Marcel....we get the picture.

 

[paulbefc]

Liverpool bought a player for 45mil last summer and put down 4mil as a payment. Arsenal bought Pepe the summer before for 72mil and again paid a very small initial payment.

we could spend 200mil but put down 50mil max

And what do you think happens with that other £150m?

 

[kenada_blue]

We spent £60m last year on fees - and that was probably too much, but worth it for what we got.

We added James on big wages/signing on fee. Allan won't be getting paid peanuts. Doucoure a decent whack.

We'll be able to offset that by the tosh that's going out of the door this summer on frees and, fingers crossed, adding Bernard and Tosun to that (over 200k a week right there saved).

Then we'll have Kean to sell.

Fact remains, we don't 'need' to spend £100m to get the players in we need to improve us. We've seen what £60m can do. The aim will be to do that again, and if we need to spend more then we'll have to hope those sales/cuts to the squad have been made, but the point of Brands' job is to kind of get the best we can for the cheapest amount.

There's also the small matter of a 52,000-seater stadium we're building.

Agree on this.

The way I see it - Walcott, Bernard, Tosun saves £300k a week wages. Bolasie is also off the books. Selling Delph, Kean, Kenny, should bring in at least £50mill minimum on fees.

Brands has always said he wants the transfer policy to end up being that each window there's 2 or 3 keys players brought in to boost the 1st team.

It should be the quality not the quantity. We've made this mistake in the past and panic bought 2nd or 3rd choice options..

 

[paulbefc]

Last year we finished 12th and signed James Rodriguez, Allan from European regulars and Coppa Italia winners Napoli, Doucoure and Godfrey.

We were in for one other player that turned us down - Hojbjerg, because he wanted London and Spurs.

Gabriel would probably have picked Arsenal over us too, but ultimately we pulled out before that choice had to be made because Lille wanted too much. Remember this time last year we had that deal all but agreed.

I don't think we're going to find it hard to attract better players than Coleman, Iwobi or Gomes, which is what we need right now, but finishing as high up the league as possible will help.

Sure and they're all fairly well guaranteed starters.

I'm not talking about guaranteed starters with existing relationships with the manager.

 

[BlueToff]

Liverpool bought a player for 45mil last summer and put down 4mil as a payment. Arsenal bought Pepe the summer before for 72mil and again paid a very small initial payment.

we could spend 200mil but put down 50mil max

Well when you get Marcel on the blower let me know

I'm not saying we can't get creative - again, that's on the recruitment/negotiations team, isn't it.

You seem to be getting completely mixed up. I'm confident we'll get what we need this summer - it's pretty bloody obvious what we need. But there's, at first, going to be areas to prioritise. The squad isn't going to get ripped up, but they'll get out what they can.

In an ideal world, every team would 'sell to buy', because that's how you run a club. But realistically, we can't sell the players we don't need or don't want for enough that will allow us to buy the players we do want, so we're going to have to have a mix again. This year, we should be helped by Kean doing very well at one of Europe's biggest clubs, and the fact we've got Walcott, Bolasie, Pennington, Besic etc going out of the door. Throw in on top we hopefully will see the back of Bernard and Tosun for some fees - but in the main it's their wages - and that's all going to help.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Couple of points:
You'd sell Holgate (at 24 and covers 2 positions) for less than Bournemouth sold Nathan Ake to City for.
Then bring in a 30 year old CB (who I think is overrated) so we'd have 4 centre backs, 2 are regular starters, and one of whom is one of the highest earners in the squad (Mina £120k a week)?

Madness.

Holgate doesn’t really cover 2 positions, you may as well say 3. Because he’s played in midfield. Doesn’t make him good enough in then positions.

And if city wanted Holgate, we’d probably get 10mil more.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

And what do you think happens with that other £150m?

Well it’s paid over the length of contracts. But it can give you some breathing space. As 2 years down the line, you could have champions league football, bigger sponsorship deals. More fans around the world, or a new ground

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Well when you get Marcel on the blower let me know

I'm not saying we can't get creative - again, that's on the recruitment/negotiations team, isn't it.

You seem to be getting completely mixed up. I'm confident we'll get what we need this summer - it's pretty bloody obvious what we need. But there's, at first, going to be areas to prioritise. The squad isn't going to get ripped up, but they'll get out what they can.

In an ideal world, every team would 'sell to buy', because that's how you run a club. But realistically, we can't sell the players we don't need or don't want for enough that will allow us to buy the players we do want, so we're going to have to have a mix again. This year, we should be helped by Kean doing very well at one of Europe's biggest clubs, and the fact we've got Walcott, Bolasie, Pennington, Besic etc going out of the door. Throw in on top we hopefully will see the back of Bernard and Tosun for some fees - but in the main it's their wages - and that's all going to help.

Get your own lines

 

[BlueToff]

Sure and they're all fairly well guaranteed starters.

I'm not talking about guaranteed starters with existing relationships with the manager.

But you seem to be obsessing about players needing to be guaranteed starters?

They don't need to be. The point of selling the club to them is that they get that and also understand that they'll still play 40 games a season and a fair whack of them will be starts.

There's a starter needed in midfield, so that's one box ticked. There's a starter at right-back, another box ticked.

There's also the fact that we know we can't get 40 games out of James. Tops probably 30. So, there's at least a chunk of 'starts' to sell to an attacking player.

Godfrey wasn't brought in as a 'guaranteed starter'. He's played every game he's been available for bar two, I believe, and started all of them as far as I can recall.

It's also why getting Europe is vital. It gives us games to share around and allows us to build a better squad - which is what Leicester have done brilliantly.

 

[Carlito]

It's weird though because i'm not sure you need both your centre halves to be rapid to play a high line. You can't do it with Keane and Mina but Godfrey must be as quick as any defender in the league, if you use him on the cover with one of the others as the ball winner it could work fine. The fact we don't do it suggests it's not on the agenda I think.

I think you could get away with Mina + someone with pace, but I wouldn't fancy Keane's chances in an open team.

There was a moment in the Southampton game last season where he stepped into midfield to meet an attacker, only for the lad to lose him by running around in a circle, like Bugs Bunny evading Elmer Fudd. To his credit, though, he very rarely lets himself get pulled into those situations these days (or if he does, it isn't usually funny enough to stick with me).

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Well when you get Marcel on the blower let me know

I'm not saying we can't get creative - again, that's on the recruitment/negotiations team, isn't it.

You seem to be getting completely mixed up. I'm confident we'll get what we need this summer - it's pretty bloody obvious what we need. But there's, at first, going to be areas to prioritise. The squad isn't going to get ripped up, but they'll get out what they can.

In an ideal world, every team would 'sell to buy', because that's how you run a club. But realistically, we can't sell the players we don't need or don't want for enough that will allow us to buy the players we do want, so we're going to have to have a mix again. This year, we should be helped by Kean doing very well at one of Europe's biggest clubs, and the fact we've got Walcott, Bolasie, Pennington, Besic etc going out of the door. Throw in on top we hopefully will see the back of Bernard and Tosun for some fees - but in the main it's their wages - and that's all going to help.

I’m getting mixed up, really

Amd you think we will get the players we need with 30mil. Good luck with that.

Ancelotti has constantly gone on about the ambition of the club/owners. 30mil won’t get the players that kick us on again next summer.

 

[BlueToff]

OK Marcel....we get the picture.

If you've read my comments about Brands you'd know I'm not his biggest fan.

But I'm not thinking it's realistic for us to spunk loads of dosh this summer. It's not happening.

FWIW, I don't think our outlay last summer was big. People keep banging on like it was.

It was bigger than expected, maybe, but let's face it as we've seen it went nowhere near far enough, even though each deal we completed has proved good.

£60m in fees last summer.

In summer 2019 we spent around £120m

In summer 2018 we spent around £70m (on fees).

In summer 2017 we spent around £130m - that's not including Rooney's signing on fee or wages - and then on top of that £47m in the January of 2018.

Compared to previous windows, last summer's spend was small.

 

[Carlito]

I think the summer market this year will be quiet, teams won't be risking big money on transfer fees with a predicted downturn on revenue and an economic crisis looming. We also have a stadium to fund.

Max Aarons for 35m, don't make me laugh. Would be sheer lunacy giving what's available in the European leagues For a third of the price.

This is where I've been most disappointed by Brands's performance.

I was fully expecting to see better value coming in from cheaper markets. In fact, I thought it was supposed to be one of the major benefits of the DoF model.