Everton Summer transfers 2021

[mahermi1]

This season mate aye - but what about the previous 3?

Look at how his goals have tailed off since he's become more renowned - start of the season he was just Calvert Lewin now he's the main man who the opposition treat with as much respect as the likes of Kane and Vardy - with that brings more attention to him from opposition defences who know his strengths and how to best set up against them.

You wont see him bagging 8 in 10 games going forward imo opposition have worked him out - thats not to say he wont still score goals but not at the rate he did at the seasons beginning which has largely contributed to those 19 goals.

The goals have tailed off due to us not having a fully fit bunch of first team players fully firing, scratch beneath our first eleven and there is very little to come in.
We were playing a different type of attacking football at the start of the season, when the injuries arrived our strikers were surviving on scraps. DCL has not long come back from injury himself. He's very fast, mobile and great in the air, so I wouldn't write him off or try to sell him too early, there is a reason why Man United are after him and I'm about sick of them taking our best strikers off us. Abrahams from Chelsea does not have the attributes DCL has, to my knowledge, he's not particularly fast or as good or mobile as DCL, now I could be doing the lad a disservice, but he is playing in a car stronger, more inventive team at Chelsea and there is no way I'd swap DCL for him.

 

[jazzy]

I mean we are going down a rabbit hole somewhat. But yes the record is ok for Abraham but it is very skewed with 1 hot run the season before last. I'd say it was harder to generalise off the back of a player scoring less than 30 goals, as it is very susceptible to scoring bursts. My standard would be, can the player score 12+ goals in consecutive seasons.

Without making it the Calvert-Lewin V Abraham show, I would strongly consider 80m for DCL and I would not consider paying £40m for Abrahams. He could prove me wrong and go and put 2 solid seasons together somewhere, but my feelings are that he wont. I think if he leaves Chelsea to play for a team outside of the traditional top 4, he will revert back to 5-10 goals a season where he has been at when hes not been at a top team making him lots of chances.

I will preface this post with the fact that I have no wish to sell DCL and replace him with Abraham.

However I have to take issue with your proposition that if Abraham is worth £40 million then DCL must be worth £140 million.

To be frank you seem to have the same blind spot here that you had a few weeks ago when you put forward the ludicrous proposition that DCL was a better goalscorer than Harry Kane.

Here are the facts .
In Premier League games DCL has 141 appearances with 43 sub appearances. He has scored 38 goals and provided 9 assists. His goals per match ratio is .27 . He has had 253 shots with an accuracy of 43%. "Big chances missed " 45.

In premier league games Abrahams has 88 appearances with 34 subs. He has scored 26 goals and provided 5 assists. His goals per matio ratio is .30 . He has had 164 shots with an accuracy of 41%. "Big chances missed " 30.

Neither of them has scored penalties.

Based on those records there is very little between them. However I prefer DCL as he has better work rate and is a better team player IMO.

However to suggest that DCL is 3 times the player that Abrahams is is just bonkers.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The goals have tailed off due to us not having a fully fit bunch of first team players fully firing, scratch beneath our first eleven and there is very little to come in.
We were playing a different type of attacking football at the start of the season, when the injuries arrived our strikers were surviving on scraps. DCL has not long come back from injury himself. He's very fast, mobile and great in the air, so I wouldn't write him off or try to sell him too early, there is a reason why Man United are after him and I'm about sick of them taking our best strikers off us. Abrahams from Chelsea does not have the attributes DCL has, to my knowledge, he's not particularly fast or as good or mobile as DCL, now I could be doing the lad a disservice, but he is playing in a car stronger, more inventive team at Chelsea and there is no way I'd swap DCL for him.

I wouldnt actively sell him mate I just dont think he's an irreplaceable elite level player.

The only player outside the "scab 6" sides who is worth £80 million imo is Grealish who's become absolute quality.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

They are the same age and Abraham has scored a lot less goals. Thats in the end what it boils down to.

In a lot less games.

You’re struggling to understand how this works.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

But Calvert Lewin does offer a lot other than goals.

Previously, yes. But lately, even his hold up play has been poor.

 

[Bluewolf]

I dont think he's a 20+ goal a season forward mate - he might be this season but his strengths have become well known - the cats out the bag as it were everyone including BT sports knows he's not scored outside of 6 yards so every opposition manager now knows what to tell his defenders to ensure they keep him marked as far out the box as possible - womt stop him from scoring but you wont see him bang them in like he did at the start of the season when he was still somewhat of an unknown quantity to the opposition.

For me he's likely a 12-15 goal a season forward going forward unless he adapts his play but I don't think he's good enough in front of goal to do that.

You could hypothetically bring in £120-130 million for both DCL + Kean which would make FFP no worry at all to us for the forseeable - Carlo would providing the money was given to him completely rebuild the squad from top to bottom.

Hes been playing in the Premier league for the past 5 seasons he isnt a unknown quantity. Hes scored 15 goals last season hes scored 19 goals so far this season. In the past 5 seasons his goals tally in the league has improved year on year by constantly adjusting his game.

Hes not being marked out of the game because of the opposition his goals dried up when we started being more defensive. We simply don't create as many chances as we did at the start of the season we've played most of this season without a right flank and its made it easier for teams to nullify our creative outlets. If you don't get the ball to dom he can't score. Obviously he missed chances as well but so does everyone.

Liniker scored 40 goals for us and most of them weren't further out then the 6 yard box. Difference is we had a team firming on all cylinders getting the ball to him since October most of those chances have dried up. Mainly through injuries and the need to stay competitive in the league ironically.

You keep saying sell him but you wont answer who you want us to bring in? Because you don't trust brands to bring someone in obviously. So who would you want to bring in? Because the best I think we could bring in is someone like ings and I'd rather just keep dom.

If we could sell DCL then replace him with better then sure sell him. I'm all for it. If everton went were selling DCL but were bringing haarland. Then let's do this! But if we were going to sell him and bring in abraham or ings or jovic or something then I'd rather we just keep him and build our squad up tbh.

 

[Toffeelover]

Whats this rumour about Demiral, any info? What kind of pl;ayer is he?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Hes been playing in the Premier league for the past 5 seasons he isnt a unknown quantity. Hes scored 15 goals last season hes scored 19 goals so far this season. In the past 5 seasons his goals tally in the league has improved year on year by constantly adjusting his game.

Hes not being marked out of the game because of the opposition his goals dried up when we started being more defensive. We simply don't create as many chances as we did at the start of the season we've played most of this season without a right flank and its made it easier for teams to nullify our creative outlets. If you don't get the ball to dom he can't score. Obviously he missed chances as well but so does everyone.

Liniker scored 40 goals for us and most of them weren't further out then the 6 yard box. Difference is we had a team firming on all cylinders getting the ball to him since October most of those chances have dried up. Mainly through injuries and the need to stay competitive in the league ironically.

You keep saying sell him but you wont answer who you want us to bring in? Because you don't trust brands to bring someone in obviously. So who would you want to bring in? Because the best I think we could bring in is someone like ings and I'd rather just keep dom.

If we could sell DCL then replace him with better then sure sell him. I'm all for it. If everton went were selling DCL but were bringing haarland. Then let's do this! But if we were going to sell him and bring in abraham or ings or jovic or something then I'd rather we just keep him and build our squad up tbh.

Of course he was - if you was Pep Guardiola would you spend half your team set up worrying about the DCL of 3 years ago who couldn't trap a bag of cement and scored about 4 goals all season? Absolutely not.

Richarlison was the danger man of seasons gone by and at the start of this season it was Richarlison & James - now suddenly DCL is an england international and scoring goals the opposition now gives him the same sort of respect as your Vardy's, Kane's etc and will set up to exploit his weakness not Richarlison's.

Thats why largely his goals have dried up - he had plenty of chances against the likes of Palace and blew them, he had a glorious chance against Burnley I think and squandered it.

The team is more defensive than it was at the seasons start but its a complete myth that our forwards are starved of any of the ball - DCL just isn't capable of getting the ball turning with it and beating a defender with just the keeper to beat he needs the ball on a plate in the 6 yard box which the opposition will now try nullify.

 

[Bluewolf]

Of course he was - if you was Pep Guardiola would you spend half your team set up worrying about the DCL of 3 years ago who couldn't trap a bag of cement and scored about 4 goals all season? Absolutely not.

Richarlison was the danger man of seasons gone by and at the start of this season it was Richarlison & James - now suddenly DCL is an england international and scoring goals the opposition now gives him the same sort of respect as your Vardy's, Kane's etc and will set up to exploit his weakness not Richarlison's.

Thats why largely his goals have dried up - he had plenty of chances against the likes of Palace and blew them, he had a glorious chance against Burnley I think and squandered it.

The team is more defensive than it was at the seasons start but its a complete myth that our forwards are starved of any of the ball - DCL just isn't capable of getting the ball turning with it and beating a defender with just the keeper to beat he needs the ball on a plate in the 6 yard box which the opposition will now try nullify.

Pep has praised DCL multiple times and said how much he likes him as a player so he's been paying attention to him over the years. Besides we don't play city every week.

Richarlison and DCL scored exactly the same amount of goals last season in the same amount of games. DCL isn't michu he hasn't has one good season out of nowhere then is going to dissappear. Hes a player that has progressed and gotten better year on year. Its like saying Doucoure is a unknown quantity.

If hes getting chances and not scoring then he can't be getting marked out of the game so which is it?

You've literally just said in one sentence the teams are setting up to exploit his weaknesses and then had a go at him missing "plenty of chances".

Btw that Palace was the most chances we've created at home since Brighton at home at the start of the season.

If its a complete myth that our forwards are starved of chances then why are we 17th in the league for chances created? Yet we are one of the most clinical in the league. We've created less chances then Burnley, Newcastle, Southampton, spurs, Fulham. We've only created 42 more chances then WBA ffs and you think its a myth.

I'll ask you again because you keep refusing to answer it. Who do you want in to replace DCL if we were to sell him?

 

[TheBigIguana]

For me DCL (and Richarlison) are over rated because their competition at this club is so bad (Tosun, Benard) if we had Danny Ings on the bench and someone like a Zaha both would have been dropped at certain points of this season (particularly Richarlison).

Patrick Bamford has scored the same amount of goals as DCL in the league and leads the line just as well yet has played most his days in the fizzy pop league.

DCL is a good player but he's nowhere near the quality of a Man City - put him in that team and you see his weaknesses instantly alongside genuine top quality players.

If you compare the players we've lost in recent years Rooney and Lukaku aside none have been irreplaceable and for me you can stick DCL/Richarlison in that below category of good but not great players - Felliani, Lescott, Arteta.

If you were offered £80-90 million for either you would be daft not to take it.

Bamford is basically DCL but somehow he managed to find decent finishing ability at age 27. Dom did it at 23 which is how development normally works and suggests he's simply good and not an anomaly.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I will preface this post with the fact that I have no wish to sell DCL and replace him with Abraham.

However I have to take issue with your proposition that if Abraham is worth £40 million then DCL must be worth £140 million.

To be frank you seem to have the same blind spot here that you had a few weeks ago when you put forward the ludicrous proposition that DCL was a better goalscorer than Harry Kane.

Here are the facts .
In Premier League games DCL has 141 appearances with 43 sub appearances. He has scored 38 goals and provided 9 assists. His goals per match ratio is .27 . He has had 253 shots with an accuracy of 43%. "Big chances missed " 45.

In premier league games Abrahams has 88 appearances with 34 subs. He has scored 26 goals and provided 5 assists. His goals per matio ratio is .30 . He has had 164 shots with an accuracy of 41%. "Big chances missed " 30.

Neither of them has scored penalties.

Based on those records there is very little between them. However I prefer DCL as he has better work rate and is a better team player IMO.

However to suggest that DCL is 3 times the player that Abrahams is is just bonkers.

I think it is fair to weight DCLs recent stats higher than his from 2017 because he's grown in a natural way for a player aged 20 to 24. It isn't crazy to think the last two years is the player he is not the guy from four years ago and that player isn't scoring once every four games.

 

[jazzy]

I think it is fair to weight DCLs recent stats higher than his from 2017 because he's grown in a natural way for a player aged 20 to 24. It isn't crazy to think the last two years is the player he is not the guy from four years ago and that player isn't scoring once every four games.

Fair enough, but suerely TA must also be improving on the same basis

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Pep has praised DCL multiple times and said how much he likes him as a player so he's been paying attention to him over the years. Besides we don't play city every week.

Richarlison and DCL scored exactly the same amount of goals last season in the same amount of games. DCL isn't michu he hasn't has one good season out of nowhere then is going to dissappear. Hes a player that has progressed and gotten better year on year. Its like saying Doucoure is a unknown quantity.

If hes getting chances and not scoring then he can't be getting marked out of the game so which is it?

You've literally just said in one sentence the teams are setting up to exploit his weaknesses and then had a go at him missing "plenty of chances".

Btw that Palace was the most chances we've created at home since Brighton at home at the start of the season.

If its a complete myth that our forwards are starved of chances then why are we 17th in the league for chances created? Yet we are one of the most clinical in the league. We've created less chances then Burnley, Newcastle, Southampton, spurs, Fulham. We've only created 42 more chances then WBA ffs and you think its a myth.

I'll ask you again because you keep refusing to answer it. Who do you want in to replace DCL if we were to sell him?

In which over the years he was a bang average player to all those other than a select few fans who either always back the yoof regardless of their performances or do the super bloo routine and claim they always knew he would go from 4 goals a season to 19.

He scored 14 last season - many of those in an 8 week or so patch.

He's on 14 currently in the league - again many of those in an 8 week or so patch.

Thats not an elite forward in my eyes. He's become a good player but thats about it.

Football fans over rate their own players always have done always will.

Since 2000 we've had 2 irreplaceable players in terms of what they offer:

Rooney & Lukaku

I wouldnt lose sleep if we sold any of our squad for £80-90 million providing the club sorted out its recruitment.

 

[jazzy]

Whats this rumour about Demiral, any info? What kind of pl;ayer is he?

Supposedly very good but , sigh , has a poor injury record.

 

[Bob Elstone]

Abrahams is proper Bambi on ice