Everton Summer transfers 2021

[catcherintherye]

Rashford isn’t a great finisher that’s why he plays on the wing. And I’m taking prem goals. And he has 14.



Abraham out scored him last season, so not sure what you’ve seen to think DCL is 3x the player. Ings got 22 prem goals last season does that make him worth 200mil.

My point regarding tap in. Is he’s missed 6/7 clean through 1 on 1’s. also has no assists.
he’s not as a good as an all round centre forward as you think.

Just watch Cavani at Man Utd at 34. He’s different level.

I just think the game has changed so much, I don’t think you can be just a linker or rush anymore. Unless you’re ridiculously prolific. Look how pep will even play without a striker at times

How many none penalty goals have Ings and Abraham got in domestic comps this season though?

As for DCL, I mean he does a lot more than Lineker ever did in terms of hold up play, linking up, winning defensive headers etc.

I have sympathy with your view, but think youre quite harsh in your analysis of him, The likes of Abraham are nowhere near the level of consistent goal returns he gets.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Chelsea still need a striker so the Werner comparison doesn't match. What Chelsea bought was basically a Mane-type attacking forward who can't finish - the German Shane Long.

It's easy to say "we need a striker" but it's the hardest position to find. Additionally, when did a 10+ a season striker become an "issue"?

How many strikers do the top 6 clubs have that they spent a fortune on? Not many.

United and Spurs have academy players, Chelsea don't play an out an out striker (ones an academy product), City don't play with a striker for the most part, Leicester have Vardy, West Ham play a winger, Arsenal have 2 past their sell by dates, the RS have an attacking 3 (their only striker is Origi).

You sell DCL you lose 20 goals from this season that you need to replace. Good luck with that.

You loose 14 goals and no assists.

I didn’t make a Werner comparison. I said Chelsea knew Abraham wasn’t good enough so went to try and improve that position. And if they think Werner isn’t up to the job. They will sell at a loss and buy again.

It’s called being ruthless and wanting success. Not happy finishing 8th or 12th

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah I should clarify that I wasn't advocating signing any of the names I mentioned, just pointing out that a 12-15 goal striker doesn't necessarily have to cost the earth, and that is currently what DCL is. The crux of it really is how likely it is that he'll go on to be more than that. In order to do that I think he needs to add those other types of goals to his game, or more assists. If he can do that then he is moving into that top bracket. If he can't then I think he stays below it, and while that is obviously perfectly fine, 'fine' doesn't really win you trophies (or cost £80m). That's why although I think he's very good, and would very much like to keep him, I wouldn't be dismissing the idea of selling out of hand.

Yes essentially that. I think he may end up with 18 league goals this season which would be great. I also think he gives us quite a bit off the ball. However 80m as you say is a lot of money. If we turn that down, we have to be quite certain this guy is going to go on and score 20+ goals per season, which there are some doubts about. He could do but its by no means certain.

We turned down a similar bit for Richarlison, and while I like Richarlison, I think we probably should have taken the cash.

 

[catcherintherye]

You loose 14 goals and no assists.

I didn’t make a Werner comparison. I said Chelsea knew Abraham wasn’t good enough so went to try and improve that position. And if they think Werner isn’t up to the job. They will sell at a loss and buy again.

It’s called being ruthless and wanting success. Not happy finishing 8th or 12th

There is also a sense of priorities though isn't there? And Chelsea can attract better, as they are about to go to a CL final. We are not in that bracket.

I'm not against selling for 80m, but to me, selling him for 80m and spunking 40m on Abraham would be a mistake.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

How many none penalty goals have Ings and Abraham got in domestic comps this season though?

As for DCL, I mean he does a lot more than Lineker ever did in terms of hold up play, linking up, winning defensive headers etc.

I have sympathy with your view, but think youre quite harsh in your analysis of him, The likes of Abraham are nowhere near the level of consistent goal returns he gets.

Abraham got 15 in 34 premier league last season 0 pens. I think you’re over hyping him from a technical point. 0 assists I think tells its own story.

And saying that he wins defensive headers. Surely that’s the same as when people on here will tell me, he’s not in the team to get assists.

 

[catcherintherye]

Abraham got 15 in 34 premier league last season 0 pens. I think you’re over hyping him from a technical point. 0 assists I think tells its own story.

And saying that he wins defensive headers. Surely that’s the same as when people on here will tell me, he’s not in the team to get assists.

Well he has 6 assists, but it's kind of irrelevant as hes not in the team for assists.

Abraham had 1 hot streak in his 7 year career. He has not followed it up. How many seasons has he scored 13+ goals consecutively in the league? Also answer me, how many seasons has he scored 18+ goals in domestic comps (with top division goals counting)?

Thats why DCL is just a much higher pedigree mate. When Abraham emulates what Dom has done, we can start talking about them. In his only season outside of playing for an elite European team he got about 3 league goals in a season.

 

[Bluewolf]

For me DCL (and Richarlison) are over rated because their competition at this club is so bad (Tosun, Benard) if we had Danny Ings on the bench and someone like a Zaha both would have been dropped at certain points of this season (particularly Richarlison).

Patrick Bamford has scored the same amount of goals as DCL in the league and leads the line just as well yet has played most his days in the fizzy pop league.

DCL is a good player but he's nowhere near the quality of a Man City - put him in that team and you see his weaknesses instantly alongside genuine top quality players.

If you compare the players we've lost in recent years Rooney and Lukaku aside none have been irreplaceable and for me you can stick DCL/Richarlison in that below category of good but not great players - Felliani, Lescott, Arteta.

If you were offered £80-90 million for either you would be daft not to take it.

Yes but if we had ings and zaha they would probably be playing as well as richarlison and DCL. So I dont really see your point, if we had two good players on the bench we would obviously rotate them in when our other two good players where having a poor run of games.

Let's not forget DCL has played every minute of pretty much every game hes been fit this season, without a pre season.

Bamford is a interesting choice.

Chances created this season:

(5) Leeds: 447

(17) everton: 322

Goals conceded:


(6) leeds: 50

(11) everton: 40

We are obviously a more defensive side that creates less chances then leeds do.

Dom has a better goals per game stat (0.52,) to bamford (0.42)
Hes got a better shooting accuracy (63.16%) to bamford (49.38%) hes got a better shooting success (21.21%) to bamford (14.29%) hes scored more big chances (12) to bamford (7) and hes missed less big chances (15) to bamford (21).

So no bamford doesn't lead the line just as well he is a inferior striker to DCL in pretty much every department apart from goals from outside of the box. Bamford has started 6 more games then DCL and played 400 more minutes of football in a much more attacking team that creates more chances and is level on goals with him.

Its all well and good saying we'd be daft not to sell him but we've been here before and we've seen what happens and it leads to us having a terrible season after we sell him. We need to build on what we have not sell it all off first chance we get.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

There is also a sense of priorities though isn't there? And Chelsea can attract better, as they are about to go to a CL final. We are not in that bracket.

I'm not against selling for 80m, but to me, selling him for 80m and spunking 40m on Abraham would be a mistake.

Im not saying buy Abraham and I hope we wouldn’t.

But we’ve hired ancelotti and him and his band of Italian merry-men will cost Moshiri probably 80/90 mil in salaries over the 4.5 yrs.


So I don’t see the point in say having a team full of under 25yr olds and and just buying youngsters. Amd hope they progress and improve over 3/4yrs.

We may as well have hired a young coach, which we’ve tried before. And Moshiri could have saved 50mil. In wages.

And don’t get me wrong I like DCL and think he works better with 2 strikers. But I feel we really need to kick on the next 2 windows. And if that means some players are left behind, then so be it. For to long we’ve been a sentimental club and fan base, that needs to change.

 

[kenada_blue]

You loose 14 goals and no assists.

I didn’t make a Werner comparison. I said Chelsea knew Abraham wasn’t good enough so went to try and improve that position. And if they think Werner isn’t up to the job. They will sell at a loss and buy again.

It’s called being ruthless and wanting success. Not happy finishing 8th or 12th

Oh. Just 14 goals. How many Chelsea players have 14 goals this season btw?

And what's the hang up over assists? Our left back generally gets more assists than our midfielders, isn't that more of an issue as a team?

A striker scores goals which is what he's judged on not assists. If you were questioning his all round game and saying thats lacking, then you have an argument imo. But pinning his assist record on a player with 20 goals in all comps and who's in the top 5 strikers under 25 in European football to justify we need "improvement" is a bit daft.

 

[kenada_blue]

Yes but if we had ings and zaha they would probably be playing as well as richarlison and DCL. So I dont really see your point, if we had two good players on the bench we would obviously rotate them in when our other two good players where having a poor run of games.

Let's not forget DCL has played every minute of pretty much every game hes been fit this season, without a pre season.

Bamford is a interesting choice.

Chances created this season:

(5) Leeds: 447

(17) everton: 322

Goals conceded:


(6) leeds: 50

(11) everton: 40

We are obviously a more defensive side that creates less chances then leeds do.

Dom has a better goals per game stat (0.52,) to bamford (0.42)
Hes got a better shooting accuracy (63.16%) to bamford (49.38%) hes got a better shooting success (21.21%) to bamford (14.29%) hes scored more big chances (12) to bamford (7) and hes missed less big chances (15) to bamford (21).

So no bamford doesn't lead the line just as well he is a inferior striker to DCL in pretty much every department apart from goals from outside of the box. Bamford has started 6 more games then DCL and played 400 more minutes of football in a much more attacking team that creates more chances and is level on goals with him.

Its all well and good saying we'd be daft not to sell him but we've been here before and we've seen what happens and it leads to us having a terrible season after we sell him. We need to build on what we have not sell it all off first chance we get.

Bamfords also 3 years older than him

 

[Neiler]

Yes essentially that. I think he may end up with 18 league goals this season which would be great. I also think he gives us quite a bit off the ball. However 80m as you say is a lot of money. If we turn that down, we have to be quite certain this guy is going to go on and score 20+ goals per season, which there are some doubts about. He could do but its by no means certain.

We turned down a similar bit for Richarlison, and while I like Richarlison, I think we probably should have taken the cash.

While i wouldn't be hugely critical on DCL. I do think we need an alternate or even players who can better support him and share the burden, that might be an alternate no 9 or more productive and direct inside forwards.

No one can argue with performances or return, but i think the team needs more or rather he needs help and support at a good level.

For me watching him its not really about what he scores, but sometimes what he misses, i dont think he is the finished article yet and thats fair as he is a young professional with a big responsibility and im not being critical but i do think the team needs an alternate and he needs help and support.

I think the two things can exist together being a really important player in the squad, but also having an alternate for the team and for him to have support when he going through a barren or a jaded patch.

 

[Azza]

Let's be having it then.



Attacker / Forward

Dusan Vlahovic



Matheus Cunha



Leon Bailey



Florian Wirtz





Right Back

Guga




Emerson





Centre mid

Nicolás Domínguez



Pape Sarr

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Well he has 6 assists, but it's kind of irrelevant as hes not in the team for assists.

Abraham had 1 hot streak in his 7 year career. He has not followed it up. How many seasons has he scored 13+ goals consecutively in the league? Also answer me, how many seasons has he scored 18+ goals in domestic comps (with top division goals counting)?

Thats why DCL is just a much higher pedigree mate. When Abraham emulates what Dom has done, we can start talking about them. In his only season outside of playing for an elite European team he got about 3 league goals in a season.

WOW that’s mental.

So you’re going back to when Abraham was 16 lol

Abraham is younger and has 26 in 88 premier league
DCL 38 in 141.

so say Abraham joins wolves he would need 12 goals in his next 53 games to match DCL.

I don’t think Abraham is good enough for us and I don’t think DCL is either

 

[Lanolin]

How many none penalty goals have Ings and Abraham got in domestic comps this season though?

As for DCL, I mean he does a lot more than Lineker ever did in terms of hold up play, linking up, winning defensive headers etc.

I have sympathy with your view, but think youre quite harsh in your analysis of him, The likes of Abraham are nowhere near the level of consistent goal returns he gets.

That's not really true to be fair. They have pretty similar records. Abraham has scored 30 goals over the last 2 seasons, DCL has scored 34. I'm definitely not saying we should swap one for the other but I don't see the point in pretending one is a proven top class scorer and the other's a no mark. Their careers are pretty similar so far.

EDIT Apologies I'll shut up now because I genuinely hadn't even clocked that this wasn't the DCL thread until now.

 

[roy vernon]

I think that the price the club should put on DCL is, about 10 million more than anybody else is prepared to pay for him. Problem solved.