Everton Summer transfers 2021

[jazzy]

I think that the price the club should put on DCL is, about 10 million more than anybody else is prepared to pay for him. Problem solved.

If the price is £80 million then they already have.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Yes but if we had ings and zaha they would probably be playing as well as richarlison and DCL. So I dont really see your point, if we had two good players on the bench we would obviously rotate them in when our other two good players where having a poor run of games.

Let's not forget DCL has played every minute of pretty much every game hes been fit this season, without a pre season.

Bamford is a interesting choice.

Chances created this season:

(5) Leeds: 447

(17) everton: 322

Goals conceded:


(6) leeds: 50

(11) everton: 40

We are obviously a more defensive side that creates less chances then leeds do.

Dom has a better goals per game stat (0.52,) to bamford (0.42)
Hes got a better shooting accuracy (63.16%) to bamford (49.38%) hes got a better shooting success (21.21%) to bamford (14.29%) hes scored more big chances (12) to bamford (7) and hes missed less big chances (15) to bamford (21).

So no bamford doesn't lead the line just as well he is a inferior striker to DCL in pretty much every department apart from goals from outside of the box. Bamford has started 6 more games then DCL and played 400 more minutes of football in a much more attacking team that creates more chances and is level on goals with him.

Its all well and good saying we'd be daft not to sell him but we've been here before and we've seen what happens and it leads to us having a terrible season after we sell him. We need to build on what we have not sell it all off first chance we get.

No one is disputing DCL is the better player out the two but if Leeds turned down even £60 million for Bamford we would be saying they are crazy yet we are sat in here saying DCL is more important to EFC than £80-90 million which I just dont agree with.

Lukaku went for less and he's twice the striker DCL will ever be.

The issue isn't hypothetically losing DCL its losing DCL then replacing him with £150 million worth of crap - thats down to the recruitment at the club rather than of DCL being irreplaceable as a player hence why im astonished so many are made up Brands is here for another 3 seasons when he's only done a slightly better job than Walsh who was a disaster.

 

[Bluewolf]

No one is disputing DCL is the better player out the two but if Leeds turned down even £60 million for Bamford we would be saying they are crazy yet we are sat in here saying DCL is more important to EFC than £80-90 million which I just dont agree with.

Lukaku went for less and he's twice the striker DCL will ever be.

The issue isn't hypothetically losing DCL its losing DCL then replacing him with £150 million worth of crap - thats down to the recruitment at the club rather than of DCL being irreplaceable as a player hence why im astonished so many are made up Brands is here for another 3 seasons when he's only done a slightly better job than Walsh who was a disaster.

So if we did sell DCL who are we supposed to get in to replace the 20+ goals a season he'll bring in?

 

[Bkk Andy]

I agree with what you’re saying about Lukaku and his faults, but the lad was/is lethal in front of goal. DCL will never have that it’s just not in him, he just doesn’t have that killer instinct he’s too nice. If Lukaku was upfront for us this season we’d be top four now. It’s all well and good having a striker who can hold the ball up, but it creates us zero goals, as there’s no one driving forward from midfield . Put the lad one on one with the keeper and it’s at best 50/50 he scores, in reality it’s worse.
if the clubs serious about competing at the top then they will have to find a top slotter, either persuade Lukaku to come back or find a young one.

Lukaku wouldn't come back here for £1m a week.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So if we did sell DCL who are we supposed to get in to replace the 20+ goals a season he'll bring in?

I dont think he's a 20+ goal a season forward mate - he might be this season but his strengths have become well known - the cats out the bag as it were everyone including BT sports knows he's not scored outside of 6 yards so every opposition manager now knows what to tell his defenders to ensure they keep him marked as far out the box as possible - womt stop him from scoring but you wont see him bang them in like he did at the start of the season when he was still somewhat of an unknown quantity to the opposition.

For me he's likely a 12-15 goal a season forward going forward unless he adapts his play but I don't think he's good enough in front of goal to do that.

You could hypothetically bring in £120-130 million for both DCL + Kean which would make FFP no worry at all to us for the forseeable - Carlo would providing the money was given to him completely rebuild the squad from top to bottom.

 

[catcherintherye]

WOW that’s mental.

So you’re going back to when Abraham was 16 lol

Abraham is younger and has 26 in 88 premier league
DCL 38 in 141.

so say Abraham joins wolves he would need 12 goals in his next 53 games to match DCL.

I don’t think Abraham is good enough for us and I don’t think DCL is either

They are the same age and Abraham has scored a lot less goals. Thats in the end what it boils down to.

 

[catcherintherye]

That's not really true to be fair. They have pretty similar records. Abraham has scored 30 goals over the last 2 seasons, DCL has scored 34. I'm definitely not saying we should swap one for the other but I don't see the point in pretending one is a proven top class scorer and the other's a no mark. Their careers are pretty similar so far.

EDIT Apologies I'll shut up now because I genuinely hadn't even clocked that this wasn't the DCL thread until now.

In terms of league goals they are not close though are they?

What worries me about Abraham, is the one season he had away from a top 4 team, he scored 5 goals in a season. Its a lot harder in a team that attacks less and makes less chances.

I appreciate just because Abraham is not 40m doesnt make DCL worth way more than 80m, but the comparison was made. I'd be a bit disappointed if we spent 40m on Abraham, though I don't see it as very likely.

 

[catcherintherye]

I dont think he's a 20+ goal a season forward mate - he might be this season but his strengths have become well known - the cats out the bag as it were everyone including BT sports knows he's not scored outside of 6 yards so every opposition manager now knows what to tell his defenders to ensure they keep him marked as far out the box as possible - womt stop him from scoring but you wont see him bang them in like he did at the start of the season when he was still somewhat of an unknown quantity to the opposition.

For me he's likely a 12-15 goal a season forward going forward unless he adapts his play but I don't think he's good enough in front of goal to do that.

You could hypothetically bring in £120-130 million for both DCL + Kean which would make FFP no worry at all to us for the forseeable - Carlo would providing the money was given to him completely rebuild the squad from top to bottom.

Hes already scored 19 goals this season mate. So clearly he is a 20+ goal a season man, and those numbers just keep getting better and better.

I can see an argument for selling him, but he's already proven he is now quite a regularly high goalscorer.

 

[Lanolin]

In terms of league goals they are not close though are they?

What worries me about Abraham, is the one season he had away from a top 4 team, he scored 5 goals in a season. Its a lot harder in a team that attacks less and makes less chances.

I appreciate just because Abraham is not 40m doesnt make DCL worth way more than 80m, but the comparison was made. I'd be a bit disappointed if we spent 40m on Abraham, though I don't see it as very likely.

Well they are quite close yeah. The figures were just provided to you, Abraham has scored 12 less PL goals but in 50 odd less games. Abraham's best PL season so far is 15 goals, DCL is currently on 14 which is his best so far. It's an odd hill to die on; by all means say with your eyes you believe DCL to be infinitely better but if you're going to use stats then at least acknowledge that they don't actually say what you're suggesting at all.

 

[catcherintherye]

Well they are quite close yeah. The figures were just provided to you, Abraham has scored 12 less PL goals but in 50 odd less games. Abraham's best PL season so far is 15 goals, DCL is currently on 14 which is his best so far. It's an odd hill to die on; by all means say with your eyes you believe DCL to be infinitely better but if you're going to use stats then at least acknowledge that they don't actually say what you're suggesting at all.

I mean a lot of those games for DCL were sub appearances werent they? He has 38 in 98 starts.

Obviously you can quantify things in a number of different ways. I personally like consistency and to see gradual improvement in a player. DCL has done that, with each season generally getting better.

Abraham had 1 half of a season where everything went in, and in honesty has really struggle to reproduce that form or improve on it again. I would want to see consecutive seasons whwere he got 12+ goals in the league before I started to see him as a viable alternative.

I appreciate people will have different barometers, which is up to them. I don't see Abraham as a very consistent goalscorer, or a player who has shown much upward trajectory. He had a purple patch and seems to have regressed to the mean to me.

 

[jazzy]

I mean a lot of those games for DCL were sub appearances werent they? He has 38 in 98 starts.

Obviously you can quantify things in a number of different ways. I personally like consistency and to see gradual improvement in a player. DCL has done that, with each season generally getting better.

Abraham had 1 half of a season where everything went in, and in honesty has really struggle to reproduce that form or improve on it again. I would want to see consecutive seasons whwere he got 12+ goals in the league before I started to see him as a viable alternative.

I appreciate people will have different barometers, which is up to them. I don't see Abraham as a very consistent goalscorer, or a player who has shown much upward trajectory. He had a purple patch and seems to have regressed to the mean to me.

The last 2 paragraphs could equally be applied to DCL.

 

[Lanolin]

I mean a lot of those games for DCL were sub appearances werent they? He has 38 in 98 starts.

Obviously you can quantify things in a number of different ways. I personally like consistency and to see gradual improvement in a player. DCL has done that, with each season generally getting better.

Abraham had 1 half of a season where everything went in, and in honesty has really struggle to reproduce that form or improve on it again. I would want to see consecutive seasons whwere he got 12+ goals in the league before I started to see him as a viable alternative.

I appreciate people will have different barometers, which is up to them. I don't see Abraham as a very consistent goalscorer, or a player who has shown much upward trajectory. He had a purple patch and seems to have regressed to the mean to me.

And Abraham has 26 in 52 starts, so you’ve not helped yourself there at all. I have no interest in going into bat for Tammy Abraham but this is quite an astonishing double standard you’re applying.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Hes already scored 19 goals this season mate. So clearly he is a 20+ goal a season man, and those numbers just keep getting better and better.

I can see an argument for selling him, but he's already proven he is now quite a regularly high goalscorer.

This season mate aye - but what about the previous 3?

Look at how his goals have tailed off since he's become more renowned - start of the season he was just Calvert Lewin now he's the main man who the opposition treat with as much respect as the likes of Kane and Vardy - with that brings more attention to him from opposition defences who know his strengths and how to best set up against them.

You wont see him bagging 8 in 10 games going forward imo opposition have worked him out - thats not to say he wont still score goals but not at the rate he did at the seasons beginning which has largely contributed to those 19 goals.

 

[catcherintherye]

And Abraham has 26 in 52 starts, so you’ve not helped yourself there at all. I have no interest in going into bat for Tammy Abraham but this is quite an astonishing double standard you’re applying.

I mean we are going down a rabbit hole somewhat. But yes the record is ok for Abraham but it is very skewed with 1 hot run the season before last. I'd say it was harder to generalise off the back of a player scoring less than 30 goals, as it is very susceptible to scoring bursts. My standard would be, can the player score 12+ goals in consecutive seasons.

Without making it the Calvert-Lewin V Abraham show, I would strongly consider 80m for DCL and I would not consider paying £40m for Abrahams. He could prove me wrong and go and put 2 solid seasons together somewhere, but my feelings are that he wont. I think if he leaves Chelsea to play for a team outside of the traditional top 4, he will revert back to 5-10 goals a season where he has been at when hes not been at a top team making him lots of chances.

 

[catcherintherye]

This season mate aye - but what about the previous 3?

Look at how his goals have tailed off since he's become more renowned - start of the season he was just Calvert Lewin now he's the main man who the opposition treat with as much respect as the likes of Kane and Vardy - with that brings more attention to him from opposition defences who know his strengths and how to best set up against them.

You wont see him bagging 8 in 10 games going forward imo opposition have worked him out - thats not to say he wont still score goals but not at the rate he did at the seasons beginning which has largely contributed to those 19 goals.

But how many guys are scoring 19+ goals, outside of penalties in domestic comps season in season out?