Everton takeover rumours

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

A new site has to accommodate at least 25% more people.

So what? when H&G applied for the new pit on SP they were told the infrastructure would limit the capacity to 60k. WHP is better situated than both Goodison and the pit, so there'd be no issue whatsoever with the road infrastructure for a 50/55k stadium, you're clutching at straws with that tact.

 

[Bluesnapper]

So what? when H&G applied for the new pit on SP they were told the infrastructure would limit the capacity to 60k. WHP is better situated than both Goodison and the pit, so there'd be no issue whatsoever with the road infrastructure for a 50/55k stadium, you're clutching at straws with that tact.

Its very obviously worse of for rail and parking and thats before you factor in at least 25% more people.

As for the RS they were to contribute to opening up to passengers of the railway that runs down the side of the cemetery in order to get that figure.

A new site near to the city centre solves all the transport problems associated with a new stadium that is increased by at least 25%.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Which is why if we go for a new site then the nearer to the city centre the better as the vast majority of transport is already there.

Can't help but mention (once again) that if we ARE to move, then the Collins playing fields on Stanley Rd is the ONLY site that should be considered.

 

[davek]

According to



the asking price for the equity is about 160 Million with some of the rest going towards paying the debt off. I'm not sure those numbers quoted totally add up, but they appear to be in the right ballpark. Paying off debt would immediately increase the profitability of the club. Add in a management team with any commercial nous and the only fly in the ointment left to deal with ( commercially ) is finding a way of increasing stadium revenue profitably. It'd be easy enough to increase revenue, but turning a profit on that increased revenue is the tricky bit. If someone can find a way of doing that then it'll make the club atttactive as a business proposition.

It cant be done.

The management team, no matter how savvy, would have to contend with material conditions that dont allow that 'asset' to generate a rate of profit that'd make sense of throwing that much money at shares. The club doesn't have the facility as it stands to improve matchday revenue; and how much can it boost commercial revenue realistically? Beyond the paltry amounts they've taken in before due to underselling the club in tie ups, sure. But what can be done there to substantially change the game and get us into the £50M p.a. bracket that a Spurs, for example, can generate?

The cost of the club has to be reduced dramatically for anyone to see it as viable to come in and nurture matchday and commercial operations.

 

[Woolly Blue]

The debt should come off the asking price.

It's dead easy for you or I to put forth our opinions on that on an internet forum, but any prospective buyers will make their own minds up on that mate.

If due diligence is under way, and the numbers add up on both historic numbers and what prospective buyers think the situation is likely to be going forward then, sooner or later, a deal is going to be agreed. The rumours going round at the moment might not lead to anything, but eventually money talks and someone else will have the funds to take the club forward financially, which is plainly not something the current board can do

 

[Woolly Blue]

It cant be done.

The management team, no matter how savvy, would have to contend with material conditions that dont allow that 'asset' to generate a rate of profit that'd make sense of throwing that much money at shares. The club doesn't have the facility as it stands to improve matchday revenue; and how much can it boost commercial revenue realistically? Beyond the paltry amounts they've taken in before due to underselling the club in tie ups, sure. But what can be done there to substantially change the game and get us into the £50M p.a. bracket that a Spurs, for example, can generate?

The cost of the club has to be reduced dramatically for anyone to see it as viable to come in and nurture matchday and commercial operations.

I disagree. If you look at the club purely as a business, there is obvious potential for turning an operating profit of 10 to 15 million per annum. On that basis, 160 million plus debt isn't unreasonable.

Whether or not that projected operating profit is reinvested or taken out of the club is, for me, the important question.

 

[Bluesnapper]

I disagree. If you look at the club purely as a business, there is obvious potential for turning an operating profit of 10 to 15 million per annum. On that basis, 160 million plus debt isn't unreasonable.

Whether or not that projected operating profit is reinvested or taken out of the club is, for me, the important question.

5* the share value proves why these charlatans have not sold the club.

 

[Woolly Blue]

5* the share value proves why these charlatans have not sold the club.

They're getting older. If they want to cash in, as opposed to just counting up their net worth every night, sooner or later they'll have to sell.

You might not like the morals of the situation, but that's how it is. If you want new owners, then that will undoubtedly go hand in hand with the board making one hell of a profit. Nothing we can say or do will change that, so we might as well just accept it.

 

[Bluesnapper]

They're getting older. If they want to cash in, as opposed to just counting up their net worth every night, sooner or later they'll have to sell.

You might not like the morals of the situation, but that's how it is. If you want new owners, then that will undoubtedly go hand in hand with the board making one hell of a profit. Nothing we can say or do will change that, so we might as well just accept it.

Too true they are getting older and as such they have lost the drivers seat and the price should come down and not be going up.

 

[davek]

I disagree. If you look at the club purely as a business, there is obvious potential for turning an operating profit of 10 to 15 million per annum. On that basis, 160 million plus debt isn't unreasonable.

Whether or not that projected operating profit is reinvested or taken out of the club is, for me, the important question.

By your own estimation new owners are looking at around £200M purchase when debt is factored in. They'd be inheriting a commercial operation that has saddled the club with a value to outsiders of a below mid-table club. You could say that a new ownership team could emphasise Everton being part and parcel of the greatest circus on the globe...but how do you differentiate Everton from the PL brand and monetize that? As said, the stadium is no go...unless you sweat it and pile increased prices on fans (something that would go against the grain of current trends).

The only thing EFC have going for it is the tv revenue stream. Many think it's a giant money fountain that'll never run dry. I bet serious investors looking at a long haul at EFC dont see it that way.

 

[FTY]

Haven't read this thread since Friday, anything new?

 

[Kiwi]

By your own estimation new owners are looking at around £200M purchase when debt is factored in. They'd be inheriting a commercial operation that has saddled the club with a value to outsiders of a below mid-table club. You could say that a new ownership team could emphasise Everton being part and parcel of the greatest circus on the globe...but how do you differentiate Everton from the PL brand and monetize that? As said, the stadium is no go...unless you sweat it and pile increased prices on fans (something that would go against the grain of current trends).

The only thing EFC have going for it is the tv revenue stream. Many think it's a giant money fountain that'll never run dry. I bet serious investors looking at a long haul at EFC dont see it that way.

We've talked about this in other threads Dave, namely appealing to Americans through hammering the history and working class family feel of the club. There's still significant gains to be made in that market. Even had a whole marketing plan sussed out.

 

[Kiwi]

Haven't read this thread since Friday, anything new?

People are interested. People were interested but are no longer. Nothing concrete

 

[davek]

We've talked about this in other threads Dave, namely appealing to Americans through hammering the history and working class family feel of the club. There's still significant gains to be made in that market. Even had a whole marketing plan sussed out.

It's always looked like a chimera chasing that dollar. Really, you have to win things. Win trophies and that market may sit up and take note of you. Lose and you're a red headed stepchild.

 

[blue61]

Haven't read this thread since Friday, anything new?

It's off or on apparently.