Everton takeover rumours

[Deleted member 28206]

As previously mentioned, BK's health is now in the forefront of news.
We all I would hope wish him all the best.

What news? where?

 

[Bluesnapper]

Wouldn't @Pat's Van 's mono rail idea alleviate the issues you mention?

Not getting what you are on about.

 

[jinkyali]

As previously mentioned, BK's health is now in the forefront of news.
We all I would hope wish him all the best.

Excuse me?

 

[Toast]

What news? where?

Oh, GOT news.. Not like proper news on the telly.

 

[SerenityNigh]

He bought players to sell. Martin O'Neill built a good team there at the time and Lerner sold Young, Milner, Barry and Downing I think.
Some may say its no different to now, but at least the stones saga shows there is some fight left in us, mainly down to the tv money - we don't need to sell to buy.

I wonder if Lerner's strategy is based on his NFL experience, where teams routinely "blow up" the roster and field a team of younger, cheaper players looking for new guys to build the squad around. Of course, there's no relegation threat in the NFL, and there's also a salary cap.

 

[barneygumble]

I hope this is true, not in a malicious way, but in a way that I hope nobody is sick enough to make a few bits of bull and spread it.

No one wants to see a Blue die, or go through illness, wish him the best of luck.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Wouldn't @Pat's Van 's mono rail idea alleviate the issues you mention?

What about a really long tandem bicycle?

 

[dannythomas89]

Mate sent me these rekns some big bills have been paid off recently? They mean nothing to me

 

[barneygumble]

I wonder if Lerner's strategy is based on his NFL experience, where teams routinely "blow up" the roster and field a team of younger, cheaper players looking for new guys to build the squad around. Of course, there's no relegation threat in the NFL, and there's also a salary cap.

As a business man, you'd surely think if he thought like that, he'd never be in the position he is presently in. It's important to blood youngsters no doubt, but the threat of relegation is the big quibble here. It's worth something like £200m more per season not to go down.

If i remember correctly, Lerner got fed up with O'Neill's demands (supposedly about giving more money), when he'd not provided the goal he wished for, which was Champions League football, and he subsequently pulled the plug, providing a smaller budget, this has happened regularly in the lower leagues and teams struggle (see Newport County of League Two, where their modestly 'rich' owner no longer wished to bankroll them, they've now reduced budget by 61%, and lie in bottom of the table), but with Prem money Villa have done alright, actually, i'd go as far as they are over achieving, they're knackered if they go down, but considering they spend zero net, and have no real 'pull' factors anymore, they stay up every season. Lerner may not invest, but its not to say he didn't try, and didn't like the attitude of O'Neill, or the immense difficulty of getting in the Champions League, so got fed up. SHOULD a prospective deal with Sporting Kansas owners happen, i'd imagine that they'd be in a far greater position than Villa were due to having a far superior squad, and a fan base that will take no [Poor language removed]. With a mega TV deal coming in, they could invest in the team and still have the opportunity to make a profit.

We're a well run club, yet with a little more work we could be a sublimely run club, especially if we can crack the top 4.

 

[SerenityNigh]

As a business man, you'd surely think if he thought like that, he'd never be in the position he is presently in. It's important to blood youngsters no doubt, but the threat of relegation is the big quibble here. It's worth something like £200m more per season not to go down.

If i remember correctly, Lerner got fed up with O'Neill's demands (supposedly about giving more money), when he'd not provided the goal he wished for, which was Champions League football, and he subsequently pulled the plug, providing a smaller budget, this has happened regularly in the lower leagues and teams struggle (see Newport County of League Two, where their modestly 'rich' owner no longer wished to bankroll them, they've now reduced budget by 61%, and lie in bottom of the table), but with Prem money Villa have done alright, actually, i'd go as far as they are over achieving, they're knackered if they go down, but considering they spend zero net, and have no real 'pull' factors anymore, they stay up every season. Lerner may not invest, but its not to say he didn't try, and didn't like the attitude of O'Neill, or the immense difficulty of getting in the Champions League, so got fed up. SHOULD a prospective deal with Sporting Kansas owners happen, i'd imagine that they'd be in a far greater position than Villa were due to having a far superior squad, and a fan base that will take no [Poor language removed]. With a mega TV deal coming in, they could invest in the team and still have the opportunity to make a profit.

We're a well run club, yet with a little more work we could be a sublimely run club, especially if we can crack the top 4.

Seems more reasonable, that. He thought he was making a small change, then the squad erodes under his feet and he's left clinging on to avoid relegation.

 

[Chang Elephant]

As previously mentioned, BK's health is now in the forefront of news.
We all I would hope wish him all the best.

Not sure we should be speculating about Bill's health on a forum tbf

 

[SerenityNigh]

Mate sent me these rekns some big bills have been paid off recently? They mean nothing to me

Covered already if you turn a few pages back. Few think this is little more than cleaning up old charges for loans that were already paid off, although the cleaning up is interesting enough in itself. You don't get cleaned up to watch Star Wars for the 4th time at the discount theatre, but if you're taking out a girl* you make sure everything is in order.



*Full disclaimer: my dating experience is limited, and may not relate at all to the typical experience dating Scouse birds

 

[dannythomas89]

Covered already if you turn a few pages back. Few think this is little more than cleaning up old charges for loans that were already paid off, although the cleaning up is interesting enough in itself. You don't get cleaned up to watch Star Wars for the 4th time at the discount theatre, but if you're taking out a girl* you make sure everything is in order.



*Full disclaimer: my dating experience is limited, and may not relate at all to the typical experience dating Scouse birds

Ah right ok yeah its interesting anyway

 

[barneygumble]

Seems more reasonable, that. He thought he was making a small change, then the squad erodes under his feet and he's left clinging on to avoid relegation.

I think he went with an naive plan, which was to throw £200m at the hands of O'Neill, and they'd crack top 4 in an instant, the TV money would have made him his money back alone, and then they could have became self sufficient. We've seen that so many times, and it just hasn't worked. I think in a way, even if Lerner has infact acted like a businessman (which of course is fine), is that he managed to recoup the money, and manage to keep the club afloat with no really additional debt, as opposed to just taking it out.
Having a look at the records even, he's had one year of negative net spend (-£22m in 11/12). I don't think he's been a bad owner, just didn't get the success he desired, had he been a little more patient, then he could have done it.

 

[Walken]

What about a really long tandem bicycle?

we are crap enough at corners as it is