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Everton Transfer Thread 2016

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Zatara said:
Im actually suffering from illness since the weekend so wont go to deep here.....

Barry is basically a central "pivot", mirroring the Busquets position fo Barca. He's in a unique position there and of the current squad i think only Besic could have the various abilities to perform that role.

We dont know about Besic positional ability but in every interview he talks about "learning". We either need to use Besic in that role OR find another player who can be the "new Barry" or better still, the "new Busquets".

So, lets look beyond Barry --who would compete with Besic for the position? Right now no-one.

So for me lets say we went out and signed a single player for central midfield who "could" develop into this player. You have Tielemans in belgium who is still very young and enormous potential yet is available for the right price....then Neves as Porto who is also very young but now club captain which shows not only leadership but discipline.

Both of these players can be signed to play CM or even DM and it will mean game time for them as part of a young team and squad. If signed in the summer we could have Barry mentor them for a season (and maybe beyond as a coach) to become the new "Pivot".

Its such a specialist position, the other optioj which i would be amazed if we pulled off would be Saul Niguez from Atletico. He for me is the closest to Busquests in Spain BUT i should temper all this by saying ive not watched all of these guys 50+ times each and only dare i say 5-10 times for the kids and Jiguez maybe 15-20 times i took an interest.

If Barry goes we will probably just change our style like martinez has commented before and others have posted quotes on the topic.....but now with tv and moshiri we could replace him and those Tielemans links in Jan may not be so far fetched as the Niguez links for several years
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Good post mate, can't argue with any of that.

My point is that without European football to offer then getting in another player (making it 5/6 options to play in two positions), will be very difficult.

McCarthy is key to us winning games. Even when he has off-days we win more with him in the side than we do when he's out, which is why I don't personally see it as that much of an issue just yet...

I may not agree with your opinions on a lot Zat but I won't ever fault the thought of it. We can just agree to disagree and for what it's worth you do often raise some very good points. I think you just see it differently to how a few others do which is no bad thing.

Hope you're fully fighting fit soon ;)
 
Zatara said:
Im actually suffering from illness since the weekend so wont go to deep here.....

Barry is basically a central "pivot", mirroring the Busquets position fo Barca. He's in a unique position there and of the current squad i think only Besic could have the various abilities to perform that role.

We dont know about Besic positional ability but in every interview he talks about "learning". We either need to use Besic in that role OR find another player who can be the "new Barry" or better still, the "new Busquets".

So, lets look beyond Barry --who would compete with Besic for the position? Right now no-one.

So for me lets say we went out and signed a single player for central midfield who "could" develop into this player. You have Tielemans in belgium who is still very young and enormous potential yet is available for the right price....then Neves as Porto who is also very young but now club captain which shows not only leadership but discipline.

Both of these players can be signed to play CM or even DM and it will mean game time for them as part of a young team and squad. If signed in the summer we could have Barry mentor them for a season (and maybe beyond as a coach) to become the new "Pivot".

Its such a specialist position, the other optioj which i would be amazed if we pulled off would be Saul Niguez from Atletico. He for me is the closest to Busquests in Spain BUT i should temper all this by saying ive not watched all of these guys 50+ times each and only dare i say 5-10 times for the kids and Jiguez maybe 15-20 times i took an interest.

If Barry goes we will probably just change our style like martinez has commented before and others have posted quotes on the topic.....but now with tv and moshiri we could replace him and those Tielemans links in Jan may not be so far fetched as the Niguez links for several years
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I believe that William Carvalho would be an excellent replacement for Barry
 
BlueToff said:
Good post mate, can't argue with any of that.

My point is that without European football to offer then getting in another player (making it 5/6 options to play in two positions), will be very difficult.

McCarthy is key to us winning games. Even when he has off-days we win more with him in the side than we do when he's out, which is why I don't personally see it as that much of an issue just yet...

I may not agree with your opinions on a lot Zat but I won't ever fault the thought of it. We can just agree to disagree and for what it's worth you do often raise some very good points. I think you just see it differently to how a few others do which is no bad thing.

Hope you're fully fighting fit soon ;)
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Agree on McCarthy, in fact i am excited to see him and Besic together without Barry to see how we look.

Note: Tielemans is in Belgium id guess £20-25mil for him. Neves more as hes at Porto and their captain £30mil? Niguez £30mil also maybe more...

id say Tielemans an achievable target and perhaps Nevez as hes in portugal but Niguez much more difficult. We wont get a big name finished article but someone like the first two who are class now and can be developed would be ideal.


The poster above (sorry im struggling a bit here) on Carvalho. Really good player BUT i put him as a Vieira type box to box player and if as a DM then more of a McCarthy than a Barry due to his passing range.
 
Zatara said:
Id have agreed with you up until recently actually but my opinion on this has changed due to personal experience in work and life.

What we need to do is have the number 1 team in the league. To get to this point we need to have the best squad in the league.

Is Robles "potentially" going to be the best in the league ? I have no idea as hes 25 and only just come through BUT if you were offered Neuer you would take him.

I think we should sign the best YOUNG keeper we can, fo me thats a Sergio Rico,Jack Butland or a Bernd Leno level keeper 22/23 years of age. Look at the teams with poor keepers (like us with howard) and see the difference. Also if Joel got injured and we have signed a backup worse than him its not ideal.

We need a top goalie as priority and for me £30mil for Butland or a bit less on the other two is points in the bag and money well spent. Let Joel work with them and improve himself.
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I think there may have been some crossed wires.

I think we should get the best goalkeeper that we can, depending on how Joel does.

For example, if he proves he's worthy of being our first choice then we go for an experienced goalkeeper like Handanovic on a free who could easily also be first choice. Just think Joel deserves his chance.
 
BlueToff said:
I think there may have been some crossed wires.

I think we should get the best goalkeeper that we can, depending on how Joel does.

For example, if he proves he's worthy of being our first choice then we go for an experienced goalkeeper like Handanovic on a free who could easily also be first choice. Just think Joel deserves his chance.
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Fair enough but id get Handanovic anyway simply because hes free and would enable us to have him andJoel whilst also signing Woodman from newcastle for example and developing him for 3/4 years to eventually come in as 1st choice when handanovic is 35ish.

But id actually prefer the other route. Even if joel does well till the end of the season then we sign a player perhaps equally as good as him....we wont win things unless hes the best.

For me it has to be a top keeper 22/23 who can become one of the best around. Alot said on Leno but for me Rico would be the best we could get.
 

Zatara said:
Fair enough but id get Handanovic anyway simply because hes free and would enable us to have him andJoel whilst also signing Woodman from newcastle for example and developing him for 3/4 years to eventually come in as 1st choice when handanovic is 35ish.

But id actually prefer the other route. Even if joel does well till the end of the season then we sign a player perhaps equally as good as him....we wont win things unless hes the best.

For me it has to be a top keeper 22/23 who can become one of the best around. Alot said on Leno but for me Rico would be the best we could get.
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Totally agree on Handanovic - a fine keeper and on a free. For our long term keeper I'd go for Timo Horn
 
BlueToff said:
Well it clearly does...

Robles has done very well since coming in and if he carries on like this he deserves his shot at no.1. I'd rather not spend £30mil on a new keeper and use that towards a player whose going to come in and help us overcome teams whose main objective is to sit back and frustrate us (which is what those types of players cost) if we already have a good keeper who is only going to improve in between the sticks.

Of course we need to sign a good keeper, either as back up or as first choice - which depends on how Joel does.
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We shouldn't be signing anybody for back up. You don't improve by doing that.
 
Fresh Prince of Belle Val said:
We shouldn't be signing anybody for back up. You don't improve by doing that.
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If Joel has proved he can be number one we shouldn't spend £20mil on a keeper is my point.

Give the lad a chance. He's doing incredibly well so far and was only ever kept out of a very strong Atletico set-up by De Gea and then Courtois. He has all the makings to be a top goalkeeper.
 
BlueToff said:
If Joel has proved he can be number one we shouldn't spend £20mil on a keeper is my point.

Give the lad a chance. He's doing incredibly well so far and was only ever kept out of a very strong Atletico set-up by De Gea and then Courtois. He has all the makings to be a top goalkeeper.
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I agree we should give him a chance as he has done well. But I think we should be looking to sign a top keeper regardless of him cementing his no.1 place.
 

@jazzy @BlueToff @Fresh Prince of Belle Val william Carvalho is a really good player...i've said we should go for him quite a lot of times over the past years.

Ok, now ive made that statement i'll explain why my opinion has changed a bit. For me he seems to be the "New Vieira" and at £35mil valuation Sporting know it too. However after some amazing performances for both Sporting and Portugal even as an u21 player hes kept extending his contract and in Jan there was a press release from their chairman saying they never received a single bid for him.

Why hasnt Wenger bid for him, is it the price tag? I think even Wenger would pay the money if he knew this would mean another Vieira.

Defensively hes solid, he has great stamina and is powerful box to box BUT doesnt seem to have the passing range to me. Also when hes around the opposifion box he becomes a bit Papa Bouba Diop (aka the wardrobe)...

Perhaps im right and so the £35mil price tag is far too high if he hasnt got the passing range and falls to pieces near the opposition box BUT as a defensive player with his build also he looks class. The thing is with our system we have McCarthy as the other defensive midfielder already and Besic too if hes not used as a central midfielder in the future.

For Barry i think we need to find somwone who we can develop into the position and who has a better passing range and more mobility and acceleration hence why a "New Busquets" type i think. Very hard position to fill.
 
jazzy said:
Totally agree on Handanovic - a fine keeper and on a free. For our long term keeper I'd go for Timo Horn
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There are a few German keepers at the moment arent there...all wishing they were born at a different era to Neuer.

Zieler came through Man Utd youth system and plays for Hannover. 6caps and 27 years old.

Ter Stegen is at Barca and 23 years old. Rated as the best keeper in the world with the ball at his feet by some. Went to Barca for €12mil and only plays in champs league and has 4 caps.

Trapp is now at PSG so unobtainable after the supposed falling out with Blanc and Sirigu.

Leno is at Leverkusen, uncapped 23 and supposedly the guy most likely to take over from Neuer in the national side if needed.

Karius came through Man City youth and plays for Mainz. now 22 years old and upcapped.

Timo Horn as you know is at Koln and also 22 and upcapped....rumoured to have a £6mil release clause.

Wellenreuther is at Schalke but on loan at Mallorca and 20 years old he seems to be the current u21 keeper and must be their standout starter as he has 6 caps.

The interesting thing about the ones 22/23 is that they didnt have many u21 appearances whilst this chap at Schalke is either a future superstar or the level of u21 keepers isnt as good as recent years for them.

im no keeper expert but i read that Horn doesnt have great accuracy on his kicks of throws whilst Ter Stegen is among the best in the world in these areas. Reminds me a bit of Valdes being first choice at Barca when they could have sifned anyone but stuck with him due to his ability to start attacks.

Would be great to have Horn or Karius but for me Leno seems the most highly rated of fhe three. If @BlueToff would want to stick with Joel then the chap at Schalke could be worth a look to see if we could have a potential superstar developed to suit the prem?

Id still favour Sergio Rico myself...has the lot and will take over from De Gea if he keeps improving. Also cant hurt to have Martinez and the goalkeeping coach and Joel of course all being Spanish.
 

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