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Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

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My position on this is two fold. Firstly I think we will be bringing him in as centre back. Maybe Holgate's injury is worse than first feared (though I am not sure how serious a toe injury can be if he walks off, worst face is a metatarsal which is 4-6 weeks). It may be that either Keane or Mina may be moved on, or that they have good loans lined up for Brainthwaite & Gibson and want that extra cover.

It could also be that we just view Tomori as an upgrade on our options, includng Holgate
. I like Holgate a lot, but last seasonin it's totality wasnt so great and there's a very good case that Zouma would be better than any of our centre backs. Lots of people think Tomori while being a bit more raw, is comparable to Zouma and maybe a higher ceiling. The year in the PL will have done him a lot of good. If he had a Zouma level impact, when you look at the goals we conceded that season, it's a good buy.

It also seems that Brands is fairly loyal to his targets. We've seen it with Doucoure. He think's hes a good player and see he remains a good player 12 months later. SoI would imagine we are briging him in, because he's a better fit and perhaps a better player than what we have. I don't think he will be primarily viewed as a right back, and still expect to see a right back at some point.

The flip of this, regarding Chelsea. They are just going to want players out of the door, given the money they've spent. When you loan 40+ players in a window, and you acknowledge this window is tough, I would imagine you can't get too pre-occupied with guarenteeing him games. They won't want him milling about their squad, potentially causing disharmony due to him never being involved. There's a lot of site out of mind that goes on.

They'll also know Everton, particularly under Ancelotti is a good fit for him. If he's good enough he will get game time, if not then his wages are covered.

He seems a sensible loan, probably more of the "profile" of the players we looked at over the last couple of years, but at CB we are fortunate enough to have some stability and pretty decent pro's, so we can be a bit more adventurous in our signings.

Everyone is going on about Gabriel at Arsenal, given the similar style it wouldn't surprise me at all if Brands seems Tomori as a similar type like for like replacement.
I'm surprised by how few people seem to have considered this. I've not seen enough of Tomori at Chelsea to say but he's definitely been higher rated than Holgate coming through. He's played more for all England age groups I think, and has got a senior cap and other call ups despite being younger than Holgate. He's also got CL experience. I would be surprised if he was happy to play second fiddle to somebody of Holgate's stature.
 
I'm surprised by how few people seem to have considered this. I've not seen enough of Tomori at Chelsea to say but he's definitely been higher rated than Holgate coming through. He's played more for all England age groups I think, and has got a senior cap and other call ups despite being younger than Holgate. He's also got CL experience. I would be surprised if he was happy to play second fiddle to somebody of Holgate's stature.

Make Holgate captain, then Tomori can swivel for it on the bench.
 


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My position on this is two fold. Firstly I think we will be bringing him in as centre back. Maybe Holgate's injury is worse than first feared (though I am not sure how serious a toe injury can be if he walks off, worst face is a metatarsal which is 4-6 weeks). It may be that either Keane or Mina may be moved on, or that they have good loans lined up for Brainthwaite & Gibson and want that extra cover.

It could also be that we just view Tomori as an upgrade on our options, includng Holgate. I like Holgate a lot, but last seasonin it's totality wasnt so great and there's a very good case that Zouma would be better than any of our centre backs. Lots of people think Tomori while being a bit more raw, is comparable to Zouma and maybe a higher ceiling. The year in the PL will have done him a lot of good. If he had a Zouma level impact, when you look at the goals we conceded that season, it's a good buy.

It also seems that Brands is fairly loyal to his targets. We've seen it with Doucoure. He think's hes a good player and see he remains a good player 12 months later. SoI would imagine we are briging him in, because he's a better fit and perhaps a better player than what we have. I don't think he will be primarily viewed as a right back, and still expect to see a right back at some point.

The flip of this, regarding Chelsea. They are just going to want players out of the door, given the money they've spent. When you loan 40+ players in a window, and you acknowledge this window is tough, I would imagine you can't get too pre-occupied with guarenteeing him games. They won't want him milling about their squad, potentially causing disharmony due to him never being involved. There's a lot of site out of mind that goes on.

They'll also know Everton, particularly under Ancelotti is a good fit for him. If he's good enough he will get game time, if not then his wages are covered.

He seems a sensible loan, probably more of the "profile" of the players we looked at over the last couple of years, but at CB we are fortunate enough to have some stability and pretty decent pro's, so we can be a bit more adventurous in our signings.

Everyone is going on about Gabriel at Arsenal, given the similar style it wouldn't surprise me at all if Brands seems Tomori as a similar type like for like replacement.

May be that we plan on planning 3-5-2 at some point as well.

Dino Arms

- Holgate - Keane/Mina - Tomori

Coleman/RB ------------------------- Digne

-----------------Allan--Doucs-----------------

---------------------James---------------------

----------Richy------------DCL-----------------
 

In fairness, kenny was a world cup winner and league winning captain here at youth levels, if he can't make it here, almost no youngsters will. Sadly that's the state of how hard it is, nearly all of our world cup winners from a few years back will be gone bar Calvert-Lewin.



Development happens at different rates, both physically & mentally. Just because a kid is a Word Cup winner at 19 doesn’t guarantee success in open age.
Vardy was playing none league into his 20s.
 

I'm surprised by how few people seem to have considered this. I've not seen enough of Tomori at Chelsea to say but he's definitely been higher rated than Holgate coming through. He's played more for all England age groups I think, and has got a senior cap and other call ups despite being younger than Holgate. He's also got CL experience. I would be surprised if he was happy to play second fiddle to somebody of Holgate's stature.

I'm a big fan of Holgate. I was even a big fan of him the season before, when he was getting good experience on loan. I think he has a good mental aptitude, likes playing for the club, gives his all, has improved as a player etc. He reminds of the sort of player we built a core around under Moyes. A team of Holgate's would be no bad thing in the short term.

As 23 he can still get better, or rather get more consistent and cut some mistakes out. He's quick and good on the ball, but is still a bit error prone.

However, like most fans we do have a tendency to overrate our players. There were siilar discussions when Zouma came and went on to be our best centre half. We got 48 points last season. Chelsea having had a disappointing season got 66. We are nearer to the bottom 3 than Chelsea on a point total, and I underline it was a dissapointing return for them.

There are cavaets, I haven't seen the figures but I'd imagine Holgates PPG was probably quite good for us, as he missed a lot of the Silva run and the poor end. Some of that was down to Holgate.

It's also not even what Tomori wants thats important here, but how Brands sees him and how Ancelotti will view it. Every player will want to be first choice. I think Brands will probably see him as a comparable option to Gabriel (as they seem similar types of all round defenders to me) and he may well catch Ancleotti's eye.

We've also seen it with the likes of Gareth Barry as well, who people thought would sit on the bench here. The harsh truth, is if you play for a top 4-5 team, their bench fodder are better than our first teamers. There is an obvious issue of mentality, and where that is not right that then becomes an issue, but if they are focussed it's a big plus. At 22 this is also not a Fabian Delph/Walcott who's at the end of his career. He's had 1 England cap and I would imagine he wants a few more.

So it's a big yes for me. He could even partner Holgate if needs be. But you know if he and Keane/Mina develop a great partnership thats good for us, because it means Holgate is on the bench, doing extra trying to improve and fight his way into the team. Thats how elite teams work as well. You know if you don't perform you are out. We've missed that.
 
May be that we plan on planning 3-5-2 at some point as well.

Dino Arms

- Holgate - Keane/Mina - Tomori

Coleman/RB ------------------------- Digne

-----------------Allan--Doucs-----------------

---------------------James---------------------

----------Richy------------DCL-----------------

It would be a travesty to play an extra centre back when we have so many bodies for centre mid and the wings.
 
May be that we plan on planning 3-5-2 at some point as well.

Dino Arms

- Holgate - Keane/Mina - Tomori

Coleman/RB ------------------------- Digne

-----------------Allan--Doucs-----------------

---------------------James---------------------

----------Richy------------DCL-----------------

I think 3-5-2 could become an option, particularly if we don't see many outgoings from our CB's. It would also probably suit the system quite well. We know Ancelotti has tried a variation on it in certain games too.
 

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