Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[ForeverBlue92]

Backing him and letting him do dumb things with the money aren't the same thing, fwiw.

But who's to say signing Allan would be dumb?

Just because of his age you automatically have labelled it a bad move when he could be another Vardy/Defoe/Barry etc and have another 3-4+ years at the top level and push us into the top 6.

 

[catcherintherye]

Im not bothered about age - if he can come in and push us towards the top 6 thats all I care about.

I doubt the RS cared how much they were dropping on Allison and Van Dijk who are around 27/28 and will have no resale value.

Whats interesting as well, was there was a real dilemma for them over those two signings. They had to essentially break the orthodoxies they had about value, player age etc. In the end they broke the bank, and the transfer record to sign both and it was really their signing that elevated a side that while decent was around the 4-6th bracket to one that was ready to win the title.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think it's nearly impossible even on the low end of the rumored price. I said it a couple of days ago but Delph if he was actually good is what kind of price is good business.

'That mess' is just commenting on the point you actually made. You said Delph would have been good value if he was good so that's what I commented on. Evidently what you actually meant was 'I wouldn't pay more than £15m for any 29 year old'. That's a completely different point. Don't blame me because you can't get your point across clearly.

I think value can be measured in lots of different ways. If a player costs £30m and is our POTY for the next 2 years as we finish 6th, and then gives us 2 more good seasons while we look to push on from there then that's value. Resale is irrelevant because of the impact they've had. Again, i'm not talking about Allan in particular here, just the principle of signing somebody who improves us immediately being one i'm pretty comfortable with.

"Delph if he was good is what kind of price is good business" is pretty clearly talking about the price being the right range. I can't help it if you can't read. But let's move on.

I agree but there's also the question of how likely that is to happen. It is playing with fire in a way that is unnecessary.

 

[matty1878]

Backing him and letting him do dumb things with the money aren't the same thing, fwiw.

lol Carlo knows what he wants and I trust him
More than any manager, we’ve had. Give him
Any money he Wants

 

[TheBigIguana]

But who's to say signing Allan would be dumb?

Just because of his age you automatically have labelled it a bad move when he could be another Vardy/Defoe/Barry etc and have another 3-4+ years at the top level and push us into the top 6.

I just mean generally. We can still back him and tell him no.

I have a feeling Brands would say no to Allan. But you'll respond with some garbage about Brands wasting money so what's the point?

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's only you that thinks it's a dumb thing and you are not a DoF and unless i am wrong have no experience of doing that job, why not just let Carlo and Brands do what they get paid to do.

I'm very much in favor of letting Brands go about his business. Most people seem to think Carlo should step in and get whoever he wants, and that is where I can't agree.

Carlo coaches the team, Brands signs the players.

 

[andy4efc]

Talent wise its a no brainer, but spending biggish money on a 30 year old is the issue.

Especially for somebody who isnt first choice for Brazil.

That's it. We have been crying out as a team and as fans for some steel in the midfield. Clearly CA thinks the same, it's just whether we can get a good deal for him considering he's 29. Hopefully we can.

 

[Lanolin]

I'm very much in favor of letting Brands go about his business. Most people seem to think Carlo should step in and get whoever he wants, and that is where I can't agree.

Carlo coaches the team, Brands signs the players.

Is what we expected to happen when a DoF was first announced. I don't think we can say with any degree of certainty that it's what has happened so far or will in future though.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Is what we expected to happen when a DoF was first announced. I don't think we can say with any degree of certainty that it's what has happened so far or will in future though.

I feel it has more or less happened to this point. It didn't really feel to me like Silva was making much of an impact on who we signed.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Maybe reading too much into this but according to Le10Sport in France, two unnamed PL clubs have made an offer for Gana. Can’t imagine it to be one of the ‘Sky 6’ but could it be possible that we are one of them?

 

[Simon Buttle]

I'm very much in favor of letting Brands go about his business. Most people seem to think Carlo should step in and get whoever he wants, and that is where I can't agree.

Carlo coaches the team, Brands signs the players.

I don't think it's that tbh, i reckon it's more that Carlo has worked in every major league in the world pretty much and will know a lot about and have seen a lot of players. Despite his role Brands has only worked within Dutch football which lets be honest is little more than an u23 development league. Carlo has said many times over the years at various clubs he stays away from transfer stuff but i think some people just think if we can harness his knowledge with Brands negotiating skills then they should be able to work together on signing players. I am just going to wait and see what happens, opens up again on the 10th (i think)

 

[Lanolin]

I feel it has more or less happened to this point. It didn't really feel to me like Silva was making much of an impact on who we signed.

I mean Richarlison has to have a massive question mark over it surely? Our first and biggest signing and it just happens to be a bloke that our manager has managed before and who says that manager is like a father to him? I haven't read it myself but apparently there were suggestions in the press that Digne was a Silva signing too.

I have no idea obviously, but I certainly think it would be odd to assume that Silva isn't the one who wanted Richarlison. If you were going to assume something either way it would pretty much have to be that it was Silva over Brands.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I don't think it's that tbh, i reckon it's more that Carlo has worked in every major league in the world pretty much and will know a lot about and have seen a lot of players. Despite his role Brands has only worked within Dutch football which lets be honest is little more than an u23 development league. Carlo has said many times over the years at various clubs he stays away from transfer stuff but i think some people just think if we can harness his knowledge with Brands negotiating skills then they should be able to work together on signing players. I am just going to wait and see what happens, opens up again on the 10th (i think)

Personally I don't see what Ancelotti coaching in Germany in 2016 does for us in trying to sign players from there in 2020. It is a whole new set that need to be scouted and as that is Brands every day job I trust him to have a handle on it even if he hasn't worked in the league before.

I'm not saying don't take Carlo's input, just let Brands run the show. And to me if Brands is running the show he won't be spending 30m+ on Allan given in the 200m or so he has spent so far only 8m has gone toward permanently signing players over the age of 26.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I mean Richarlison has to have a massive question mark over it surely? Our first and biggest signing and it just happens to be a bloke that our manager has managed before and who says that manager is like a father to him? I haven't read it myself but apparently there were suggestions in the press that Digne was a Silva signing too.

I have no idea obviously, but I certainly think it would be odd to assume that Silva isn't the one who wanted Richarlison. If you were going to assume something either way it would pretty much have to be that it was Silva over Brands.

There have also been reports that Brands had an interest in Richarlison when he was in Brazil still and Brands was still in the Netherlands. So maybe Brands had a shortlist from which Silva said I like him and it went from there?

That's exactly how it should work for me. Brands scouts, Brands find the targets, Brands takes the targets to the manager and asks for his input and then Brands decides who to get and negotiates the deal. It isn't cutting the manager out, but his role should be pretty small. I feel that Marco's was.

 

[catcherintherye]

I mean Richarlison has to have a massive question mark over it surely? Our first and biggest signing and it just happens to be a bloke that our manager has managed before and who says that manager is like a father to him? I haven't read it myself but apparently there were suggestions in the press that Digne was a Silva signing too.

I have no idea obviously, but I certainly think it would be odd to assume that Silva isn't the one who wanted Richarlison. If you were going to assume something either way it would pretty much have to be that it was Silva over Brands.

This may be true (though I find the Digne one a stretch) but even if it were true, it is still a big tick for Brands for me. Being able to work consentually with managers, and trust their judgements when they are right is also a big part of the role. I am sure Brands tried to sign Richarlinson at PSV, so it seems both fancied him.