Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Exeter_Gently]

We have enough poor and average players as it is

So am glad we both agree we're not as good as you think we are.

 

[catcherintherye]

Not at all, but you can’t say ‘it’s not brands’ fault all the players he signed don’t fit in the new manager’s system’ can you? I mean it’s literally his job to make sure that doesn’t happen.

I think he signed players well for Silvas system, I just think Silva really struggled to manage them effectively.

 

[ToffeeTim]

So am glad we both agree we're not as good as you think we are.

Absolutely

The last thing we need is to re-sign a defender who conceded bucket loads of goals.

I strongly doubt we'll be interested in Zouma anyway

 

[TheSecondComing]

I always thought we needed to strengthen two or three key positions anyway. Quality over quantity at this stage. We have needed continuity and consistency for a long time now, making to many changes isnt great.

We need balance at central midfield, center half and the right flank. If we get that ill be happy. Be glorious if we could loose five or six hangers on.

I still think ideally we get to a position were we only sign 2-3 top class players mate but we aren’t there yet, was expecting this to be our last crazy summer.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Absolutely

The last thing we need is to re-sign a defender who conceded bucket loads of goals.

I strongly doubt we'll be interested in Zouma anyway

Who knows mate. As long we're stronger come next season that's all that matter I suppose.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I see us sitting deeper at the back if im honest mate, i think that is the Italian way and i have noticed we are deeper since Carlo came in. A deep compact four and the ability to transition the ball from the back line to midfield or over the top on to pace will be the skill set we are looking for in in a center half in my opinion, its why i think we are looking at Thiago Silva in my opinion.

In central midfield we want an aggressive presser, a defensive shield who can close down or mark space, someone with an engine who can get forward and back and also high press and who can transition play, like Allan or Ndidi. A Reidy type.

On the right im open minded, i can see the logic if they are having a sniff at Fraser, i see a lot of balls over the top to DCL, Richarlision and to the wingers and going direct at stages, pace on the wings always helps in that method of playing. Or else you are looking at someone who can cause problems and create and make the ball stick up there someone like Everton.

For me i think we will go with a back line sitting deep protecting the house, not necessarily the speediest, but who can transition out to midfield or over the top early. A central midfielder who can anchor, press, shield, but with an engine to press high and contribute offensively and either pace on the wing when we go over the top direct or someone with good technical ability or trickery to make the ball stick or create when it get up there early. Plan A, is keep the house safe and then direct in my opinion with quick transition over the top and back ourselves with DCL, Richarlison and pace on the wings, Plan B is we will play a pressing game, getting crosses in etc.

I’m not really sure what Ancelotti’s preferred style is, having not took to much notice down the years at his teams.

I do think this defending deep is old hat in the prem now, it may help us in the short term bridge the gap from 10th to 6th say. But not much higher imo. The way City, Liverpool, spurs under poch. Chelsea will play similar under Lampard. That high pressing is hard to defend against.
And you’re asking for trouble, try to defend against it for long periods.

It maybe what we need to do tonight, as we haven’t the players to go toe to toe with Liverpool.
But long term it’s not something I want to see.

Jose found out how hard it is to challenge, playing a defensive style at Utd, yes he won a couple of cups. Even now at spurs he’s doing the same, they scored the other night and then basically sat back. And probably should have lost.

It’s ok if Ancelotti wants to do that, but unless you have great technical defenders and defensive midfielders. The opposition will just keep coming back at you. From the reports, Ancelotti was furious with our defenders inability to keep the ball under pressure from Liverpool’s kids in the FA cup. So while a Keane suits a low block, as the kids call it. His poor technique will still have us in trouble against the top teams.

 

[Tel001]

These are the smart signings the likes of Dortmund make.

thing is Dortmund can sign these players , play them and still get CL . Then they can give these players CL minutes and as soon as one does ok they sell for massive profit. We can’t afford that as the competition I’m the prem won’t allow us to.

 

[Neiler]

I still think ideally we get to a position were we only sign 2-3 top class players mate but we aren’t there yet, was expecting this to be our last crazy summer.

I think we have had to much change mate in the squad mate as exciting as it is to make loads of signings, i think it undermines continuity and consistency our results have reflected that. A lot of outs and a lot of ins isnt great for team development. That is further undermined by 4 or 5 managers, its bery poor for players to develop. When you look at the teams at the top of the table namely Mordor, City etc. They haven't signed an awful lot recently, they have built, developed consistency and grown together over time and improved under one manager.

When i look at our team its young with head space for development, we have Richarlison and DCL, who are getting to the stage were they are touching 20 goals a year, Holgate kicking on, head space to develop with Kean and Gordon and promising center backs in Gibson, Branthwaite and Kenny more then holding his own in Germany. Gelling this squad together and allowing a team to emerge through their stage s of development is key, i expect all those to kick on in a year to improved levels. Its bolstered by other quality players who we have brought - Gomes, etc. It needs augmenting and balance with the three positions i mentioned but i genuinely dont think we need much, i honestly would prefer to go minimal and have consistency and continuity at this point.

We could do with looseing a few, but we have Stek, Garbutt, Niasse, Cuco as natural wastage this summer, looks like we can do a deal for Morgan. If we can loose Besic, Sandro and Bolaise even better. But the summer of 2021 is an important time for us as bar Cenk we will have pretty much run the anti virus of poor recruitment at the club and look forward to having a squad of purpose and value.

So to sumerise, this team now needs consistency and continuity, its is developing and the players in it improving with plenty of head room its a time for growth. It can be augmented with signings but not radically its needs the time. Outs are welcome the more the better and quickly but im looking at June 2021 as a key date for us.

 

[BlueStevie35]

I still think ideally we get to a position were we only sign 2-3 top class players mate but we aren’t there yet, was expecting this to be our last crazy summer.

We’ll get a few in but, despite the relaxation as it were of FFP, it won’t be an epic spree ala 2017/18. There’s already a lingering backlash to that summer and last year because of unforeseen circumstances and I think Moshiri knows that

 

[Blue Cally]

Fraser lol

please stop it

 

[Neiler]

I’m not really sure what Ancelotti’s preferred style is, having not took to much notice down the years at his teams.

I do think this defending deep is old hat in the prem now, it may help us in the short term bridge the gap from 10th to 6th say. But not much higher imo. The way City, Liverpool, spurs under poch. Chelsea will play similar under Lampard. That high pressing is hard to defend against.
And you’re asking for trouble, try to defend against it for long periods.

It maybe what we need to do tonight, as we haven’t the players to go toe to toe with Liverpool.
But long term it’s not something I want to see.

Jose found out how hard it is to challenge, playing a defensive style at Utd, yes he won a couple of cups. Even now at spurs he’s doing the same, they scored the other night and then basically sat back. And probably should have lost.

It’s ok if Ancelotti wants to do that, but unless you have great technical defenders and defensive midfielders. The opposition will just keep coming back at you. From the reports, Ancelotti was furious with our defenders inability to keep the ball under pressure from Liverpool’s kids in the FA cup. So while a Keane suits a low block, as the kids call it. His poor technique will still have us in trouble against the top teams.

Just my opinion is all mate. Its a balance mate, its not a concrete "just sit back" that wasn't the point i was making, you can play a high line or a deep one defensively, i think we will play a deep one, offensively i think we will go direct and early over the top. Id liken it to something how Leicester play/ed, in their title winning year and maybe even now. In fact Mordor use that method quite a bit as well in their system.

I actually think there is some purchase to it in the PL, Mordor and Leicester have shown it. Even we have shown how 4-4-2 can be effective if playing against the standard, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or variation in vouge in the PL over the last few years.

Just my opinion mind.

 

[Lanolin]

I think we have had to much change mate in the squad mate as exciting as it is, i think it undermines continuity and consistency our results have reflected that a lot of outs and a lot of ins isnt great for team development. That is further undermined by 4 or 5 managers. When you look at the teams at the top of the table namely Mordor, City etc. They haven't signed an awful lot, they have built, developed consistency and grown together and improved.

When i look at our team its young with head space for development, we have Richarlison and DCL, who are getting to the stage were they are touching 20 goals a year, Holgate kicking on, head space to develop with Kean and Gordon and promising center backs in Gibson, Branthwaite and Kenny more then holding his own Germany. Gelling this squad together and allowing a team to emerge through their stage s of development is key, i expect all those to kick on in a year to improved levels. Its bolstered by other quality players who we have brought - Gomes, etc. It needs augmenting and balance with the three positions i mentioned but i genuinely dont think we need much, i honestly would prefer to go minimal and have consistency and continuity at this point.

We could do with looseing a few, but we have Stek, Garbutt, Niasse, Cuco as natural wastage this summer, looks like we can do a deal for Morgan. If we can loose Besic, Sandro and Bolaise even better. But the summer of 2021 is an important time for us as bar Cenk we will have pretty much run the anti virus of poor recruitment at the club and look forward to having a squad of purpose and value.

So to sumerise, this team now needs consistency and continuity, its is developing and the players in it improving with plenty of head room its a time for growth. It can be augmented with signings but not radically its needs the time. Outs are welcome the more the better and quickly but im looking at June 2021 as a key date for us.

I’m not sure that’s true about Liverpool. That team has been almost completely rebuilt since Klopp took over, the squad is unrecognisable from say 4 years ago.

It’s all very well picking up 1 or 2 new players when you’ve got a good base to start with but I honestly think there’s 4 or 5 positions we need starters in, without even looking at improving depth wise.

Obviously I realise it isn’t going to happen but I think it’s what we need.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Fraser lol

please stop it

Rather have Fraser Crane on the wing.

 

[Neiler]

I’m not sure that’s true about Liverpool. That team has been almost completely rebuilt since Klopp took over, the squad is unrecognisable from say 4 years ago.

It’s all very well picking up 1 or 2 new players when you’ve got a good base to start with but I honestly think there’s 4 or 5 positions we need starters in, without even looking at improving depth wise.

Obviously I realise it isn’t going to happen but I think it’s what we need.

Fair point on Mordor recruitment, but then you could say the same about us and they have had stability in management, they have also had time to improve and grow as a team to get to this point to attack the title.

Thats fair enough mate, i think we need two or three myself for balance and go up a rung on the ladder, we might need another two or three next summer, to go up another. But i think to much change has been a symptom of both problems on the pitch and off it in recent times. So from that point of view im backing a pragmatic, incremental approach that enables continuity, consistency, growth and development.

Thats just me mind i respect were you and the other lads are coming from.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Just my opinion is all mate. Its a balance mate, its not a concrete "just sit back" that wasn't the point i was making, you can play a high line or a deep one defensively, i think we will play a deep one, offensively i think we will go direct and early over the top. Id liken it to something how Leicester play/ed, in their title winning year and maybe even now. In fact Mordor use that method quite a bit as well in their system.

I actually think there is some purchase to it in the PL, Mordor and Leicester have shown it. Even we have shown how 4-4-2 can be effective if playing against the standard, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or variation in vouge in the PL over the last few years.

Just my opinion mind.

Yes it’s all about opinions mate

And my post wasn’t directed solely at you, was just my opinion on sitting deep.

And actually I do think it’s something Ancelotti May do. You can only do so much with the personal you have. Something Silva couldn’t grasp. Never changing no matter if you have the right players or not.