Everton v Liverpool. 14th April at 12.30.

[billycopper]

Better to narrowly lose to the RS in the semi than get bummed by Chelsea in the final? I reckon. Hopefully Drogba et al will go to town on Dalglish's men.

 

[Goat]

Better to narrowly lose to the RS in the semi than get bummed by Chelsea in the final? .

Nope I would rather lose 23-0 to any other team than lose by 1 goal against them.

 

[froggyted]

I have stayed clear of GOT since the game ended, due to the pain.
The pain of losing, and the pain of us once again not putting in a performance against the RS of which we are capable.
We didn't do enough to win the game and isn't odd that our two poorer performances/results in the last couple of months have both been against the RS.
I just hope we can finish the season playing with passion and pride, getting results rather than capitulating from here on in.

Ok, time to put this nightmare to bed for me i think.

My pain has subsided it, and much of the anger (see post 1189). It still hurts though: the pain has been replaced by SHAME. Shame at the fact that we didn't turn up against a very mediocre RS team that we really could and should have beat. I could have handled defeat much easier if we'd played our socks off and the RS had simply played even better; but no, we were DIRE.

I can't agree with LCAB, Matt and others who don't think we were done over. Somebody posted on here that it became apparent to them about 10 minutes in that we couldn't win, and although i wouldn't go that far the signs certainly weren't good from that point. I can't see how people think we played well in the first half either. Ok, we were pushing further up the park, but we weren't controlling the ball with any conviction. It was just HOOOF!!!!!!!! in the air. Meanwhile, RS were playing (and controlling) the ball on the ground.

FFS. When is Moyes and the guys on the park (including Tim Howard) going to realise that if you HOOOF!!!!!!! the ball up the park there's almost as much chance of it falling to the opposition? How many more lessons do they need ffs? And sure enough, that's what happened. I posted my doubts at half time, i'd been very unimpressed with our performance at that point. RS were playing the ball on the ground and as a result keeping possession far more. What makes me so - yes, it's coming back now - ANGRY is that this is just a fundamental basic of football. We lost possession countless times: we gifted it back to the RS and gave them the initiative again and again. And we've done this nearly all season, but the really sad thing is i thought we'd finally learned in recent games until this. Not so.

Distin's error was the defining moment, but our demise had been coming for some time before that, and no way should Distin take all the blame. The whole team, and Moyes for his negative defensive tactics and not having the conviction to play two strikers and take the game to them, have to share the blame equally. If we hadn't been playing so defensively Distin may never have made his error anyway.

The irony of it is that a defensive error ultimately caused us to cave in, but over the 90 minutes it was in the midfield and the final third that we lost the game. It's an absolute travesty that we didn't test their rookie goalkeeper far more than we did, and their whole defense was shaky, but we never capitalised. Why was Gueye taking corners, some of them were poor? So even from deadball situations, apart from one peach from Bainsey in the first half, we failed to turn the screw, added to which most of our crosses in the final third were wayward, and even when time was ticking down we hardly got any shots in. Ffs, time's ticking down, even a speculative longrange shot is better than just hitting it in the air and losing possession. But no: a complete lack of guile, and a paucity of skill. We very badly needed Pienaar or Drenthe, but then that reflects badly on the squad as a whole when losing one or two key players turns us from being good to poor.

We're better than yesterday. I can console myself with this. But it still doesn't lessen the shame very much of knowing we capitulated to a very mediocre RS team. The whole team lost the game yesterday in their head. How much that is down to Moyes i guess we will never know. There is no doubt in my mind that the issues around Royston Drenthe being dropped from the squad will have played their part. But as manager i guess he has to share a large portion of the blame.

Right now, with yesterday's defeat and the Drenthe saga, for me it doesn't feel good being an Everton fan. Will we learn from this and rise next season like a phoenix from the flames? The form book (DM's and BK's form books) says we won't. But like the eternal optimist i am, i live in hope.

 

[froggyted]

Better to narrowly lose to the RS in the semi than get bummed by Chelsea in the final? I reckon. Hopefully Drogba et al will go to town on Dalglish's men.

You reckon? At least we'd have knocked the RS out and got to another final (and so denied RS the chance of another trophy). And it's impossible to extrapolate what's happening to Spurs to say we'd have got hammered by Chelski in the final anyway.

 

[The Equaliser]

If Pienaar had been available it would have helped a lot for sure. We would have played better football at least.

But it wouldn't have altered the half-time instruction given to the players to go out and defend the lead and kill the game off, with 45 minutes still to play. So I can't see how anyone can say we wouldn't have lost if he'd been playing.

That was criminal, and it cost us the game. The psychological scars may never heal.

 

[BigBlueConk]

Or we can purposefully lose against Man Utd in the hope they win the title as a result, which apparently will [Poor language removed] Liverpool enough to make up for their 2 Wembley appearances and 3 times they've beaten us.

The above has actually been preached by fellow forum members...

Yeah I read a bit of it all.
My mind is made up, I do not care about the other teams, but I respect the view of GOT members to have a different opinion to my own!

The RS will not exist in my pysche until the new season, when we will invariably play them at Goodison first.

 

[deliverance]

Anyone know any devil worshipping classes you can attend?

It's worked so well for the sh1te I was wondering if we blew up St Lukes in the corner of the ground he'd join our side inflicting generations of torture and torment on the filth.

So desperate now.

 

[Del]

Its very simple, The RS dont choke in big games and have a winning mentality and 90% of the time do what they need to do to get over the line

 

[davek]

Ok, time to put this nightmare to bed for me i think.

My pain has subsided it, and much of the anger (see post 1189). It still hurts though: the pain has been replaced by SHAME. Shame at the fact that we didn't turn up against a very mediocre RS team that we really could and should have beat. I could have handled defeat much easier if we'd played our socks off and the RS had simply played even better; but no, we were DIRE.

I can't agree with LCAB, Matt and others who don't think we were done over. Somebody posted on here that it became apparent to them about 10 minutes in that we couldn't win, and although i wouldn't go that far the signs certainly weren't good from that point. I can't see how people think we played well in the first half either. Ok, we were pushing further up the park, but we weren't controlling the ball with any conviction. It was just HOOOF!!!!!!!! in the air. Meanwhile, RS were playing (and controlling) the ball on the ground.

FFS. When is Moyes and the guys on the park (including Tim Howard) going to realise that if you HOOOF!!!!!!! the ball up the park there's almost as much chance of it falling to the opposition? How many more lessons do they need ffs? And sure enough, that's what happened. I posted my doubts at half time, i'd been very unimpressed with our performance at that point. RS were playing the ball on the ground and as a result keeping possession far more. What makes me so - yes, it's coming back now - ANGRY is that this is just a fundamental basic of football. We lost possession countless times: we gifted it back to the RS and gave them the initiative again and again. And we've done this nearly all season, but the really sad thing is i thought we'd finally learned in recent games until this. Not so.

Distin's error was the defining moment, but our demise had been coming for some time before that, and no way should Distin take all the blame. The whole team, and Moyes for his negative defensive tactics and not having the conviction to play two strikers and take the game to them, have to share the blame equally. If we hadn't been playing so defensively Distin may never have made his error anyway.

The irony of it is that a defensive error ultimately caused us to cave in, but over the 90 minutes it was in the midfield and the final third that we lost the game. It's an absolute travesty that we didn't test their rookie goalkeeper far more than we did, and their whole defense was shaky, but we never capitalised. Why was Gueye taking corners, some of them were poor? So even from deadball situations, apart from one peach from Bainsey in the first half, we failed to turn the screw, added to which most of our crosses in the final third were wayward, and even when time was ticking down we hardly got any shots in. Ffs, time's ticking down, even a speculative longrange shot is better than just hitting it in the air and losing possession. But no: a complete lack of guile, and a paucity of skill. We very badly needed Pienaar or Drenthe, but then that reflects badly on the squad as a whole when losing one or two key players turns us from being good to poor.

We're better than yesterday. I can console myself with this. But it still doesn't lessen the shame very much of knowing we capitulated to a very mediocre RS team. The whole team lost the game yesterday in their head. How much that is down to Moyes i guess we will never know. There is no doubt in my mind that the issues around Royston Drenthe being dropped from the squad will have played their part. But as manager i guess he has to share a large portion of the blame.

Right now, with yesterday's defeat and the Drenthe saga, for me it doesn't feel good being an Everton fan. Will we learn from this and rise next season like a phoenix from the flames? The form book (DM's and BK's form books) says we won't. But like the eternal optimist i am, i live in hope.

Good post mate. It's games like these that define how far you've come - I think that's the major disappointment. This feels so bad because it hammers home we've learned nothing from past failures. It's shocking to read the post match comments to see that even after that defeat yesterday lessons still aren't being learned and it's all being passed off as the odd individual mistake.

We desperately need change off the pitch, because we're not going any further on it with the set up we have going on here.

 

[EFC Si]

General question for everyone.

If Liverpool loose the final, will it soften the blow that was yesterday? I think it being played at wembley it really felt like a final and made the defeat devastating like in 86 and 89. If they get beat by Chelsea then it will have all been for nothing.

 

[billycopper]

You reckon? At least we'd have knocked the RS out and got to another final (and so denied RS the chance of another trophy). And it's impossible to extrapolate what's happening to Spurs to say we'd have got hammered by Chelski in the final anyway.

There's a quote in the Guardian match report from yesterday that reads something like "to contain the opposition in the latter stages of the cup isn't enough." Until the derby no Liverpool player had scored in the league at Anfield in 2012 and they've hardly set the world alight since then. If we couldn't keep them out what chance would we have against a bouyant Chelsea?

I'm probably trying to put a positive spin on it for myself, but I'd personally rather let them have the heartache of losing a final than suffer it ourselves.

 

[davek]

General question for everyone.

If Liverpool loose the final, will it soften the blow that was yesterday? I think it being played at wembley it really felt like a final and made the defeat devastating like in 86 and 89. If they get beat by Chelsea then it will have all been for nothing.

No. It was a hammer blow. Not as bad as 86 or 89 but hard to accept and move on. And the worst of it is that we know the derby record wll get worse and worse with this feller.

 

[Del]

No. It was a hammer blow. Not as bad as 86 or 89 but hard to accept and move on. And the worst of it is that we know the derby record wll get worse and worse with this feller.

Yes because like it or not Liverpool will get better over time with the money avalible to them

Yesterday was one if not the weakest Liverpool teams I can remember I mean they had Spearing and Henderson at center mid Agger playing LB and a Donkey upfront oh and a 50 year old center back who my mar runs faster than

 

[billycopper]

We haven't beaten them in a semi or final since 1906, so not much to ask.

 

[BigBlueConk]

Yes because like it or not Liverpool will get better over time with the money avalible to them

Yesterday was one if not the weakest Liverpool teams I can remember I mean they had Spearing and Henderson at center mid Agger playing LB and a Donkey upfront oh and a 50 year old center back who my mar runs faster than

Totally agree mate, the RS have been on the decline for a few years now and we still struggle most of the time against them, regardless of form. I know we get draws, but the win column looks grim.