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Everton v West Brom. Sat 24th Aug. @ 15.00.

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I would honestly sack him the utter clown.

He took a free flowing top 6 side and turned them into a version of the chuckle brothers with Distin and Jags playing from me to you for 90minutes.

I was promised attacking tiki taka, instead its been a long time since ive been that bored at Goodison.

Fulham, 2nd to last home game at Goodison. So technically a few months ago but practically it was 2 games ago.
 
Depends on the definition of 'worked'. Got us 6th/7th? Not working as far as I'm concerned. Working only happens when you have 150M to throw at the team building...if you're lucky.

What you Martinez lovers fail to realise is, if we finish 12th, we lose any player of any note and we can only attract players from Wigan.

Oh wait, thats already happened.
 

The players disagree with you there mate. I think they might have a better idea if play has changed than us, tbf.

As for finishing positions: 10th, like 7th and 6th, is nowhere. Matters not one jot to me if there's no gain from it. There's no need to get bogged down in that.

Really? I'd like to hear what they said, if you'd be so kind as to link it.

When he came in I don't think any of us were expecting to be playing the same formation and the same players come two games into the season tbh. I'm pretty sure that, so far, the change has certainly not been radical. I thought 3 at the back would be a nailed on, for example. There's definite continuity here and it should help us. Also, RM recognises what we did well, in addition to imposing his style which is encouraging. I don't want a stubborn manager unwilling to change his ideas.

Again, say we finish tenth and all our best players want to leave (as they've already proved they're better than finishing behind WBA etc) we cash in on most of them for probably deflated prices due to their poor performances and our woeful bargaining position and then a chunk of that money goes on replacing the income from prize money. Sounds like a great platform to build on to me.

Do you think Mirallas is going to stay if we finish 10th? The likes of Fellaini would piss themselves if we tried to convince them we were going to be in Europe the next season, just like Suarez probably pissed himself when the RS told him they'd get him CL footy. Holding on to our players is hard enough now. I dread to think what it'd be like if we fell off that badly.

This is all hypothetical as there is no way in hell we're finishing tenth, like. Just to make clear I'm not being uber-negative and saying this will all defo happen. It, again, 100% will not.
 
A few more stats:

We attempted 28 crosses (including corners). Just two found a man in a blue shirt and only one of those was inside the area.

5 of our passes were flagged as offside.

18 out of 45 long passes were successful.

Howard only went long once and it was intercepted.

I think that will be the worst we'll do in that dept. all season. For some reason we were really hesitant on a number of occasions. Can't see us keeping that up. We'll turn it on and whoever's up front will have some sitters to slot.
 
Really? I'd like to hear what they said, if you'd be so kind as to link it.

Jagileka on the OS today mate. Baines has said it and Osman has too. It's not difficult to find.

When he came in I don't think any of us were expecting to be playing the same formation and the same players come two games into the season tbh. I'm pretty sure that, so far, the change has certainly not been radical. I thought 3 at the back would be a nailed on, for example. There's definite continuity here and it should help us. Also, RM recognises what we did well, in addition to imposing his style which is encouraging. I don't want a stubborn manager unwilling to change his ideas.

Again, say we finish tenth and all our best players want to leave (as they've already proved they're better than finishing behind WBA etc) we cash in on most of them for probably deflated prices due to their poor performances and our woeful bargaining position and then a chunk of that money goes on replacing the income from prize money. Sounds like a great platform to build on to me.

Do you think Mirallas is going to stay if we finish 10th? The likes of Fellaini would piss themselves if we tried to convince them we were going to be in Europe the next season, just like Suarez probably pissed himself when the RS told him they'd get him CL footy. Holding on to our players is hard enough now. I dread to think what it'd be like if we fell off that badly.

This is all hypothetical as there is no way in hell we're finishing tenth, like. Just to make clear I'm not being uber-negative and saying this will all defo happen. It, again, 100% will not.

...but hold on, we just finished 6th and we're losing players now. Why is 10th felt like an important tipping point again?!
 
Its all so predictable.

It was the same last Season, we need somebody with a bit of craft, Barkley could be that player, hopefully as his confidence rises he will start bossing it on his own, lot to ask at his age tho.
 

We created a lot of chances yesterday.

Regardless of the style of football, the prime aim of the manager is to get the side to create clear cut chances (whilst limiting those of the opposition); it is then down to the individual player's ability to stick the ball in the net.

Yesterday:

We created SIX chances MORE than we did in the corresponding fixture from last season. 22 in total.

We limited West Brom to just SIX chances in total.
 
...but hold on, we just finished 6th and we're losing players now. Why is 10th felt like an important tipping point again?!

Christ, I shouldn't have to spell this out for someone like you. We challenged for the top 4 until the last few games of the season last year. That gives us a much stronger pull for players coming in and also to keep players at the club. Most other years we'd have been in Europe. Also, £3m less prize money by last year's numbers. If we finished 10th we'd lose everyone as our squad's jam-packed with top 6 quality players who have zero business scrapping around with WBA and Norwich.

We also, crucially, have a manager nowhere near as adept at signing quality for nothing as his predecessor. We wouldn't be in a very good position at all. I think you're idea of a mid-table finish and then challenging for Europe the next year is fanciful, to put it mildly.
 
The term 'chance' is ambiguous, and trying to directly associate it with a statistic is silly. A shot off target may be a chance -- say if you were clean through on goal and missed the target. But similarly a shot off target could be someone having a shot from 40 yards and hitting the corner flag. That's not really a chance.

I recall maybe 5 good chances we had to score, and I felt we were unlucky not to score at least 1, but we didn't carve them open at all really. The chances were split second moments where we managed to get a shot away.
 
This is getting tiresome. If anyone wishes to discuss this further I'll be waiting on the wreck behind Archbishop Beck School waiting to have a pyar scrap with whoever cares to join me.
 

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