Everton Youth Teams Thread

[Billy Dean]

Do you think these are Ady Bothroyds tactics mate?. I think this has come down from up top. We know Southgate has settled on a 3 at the back system for the senior team, and I believe he has asked for the U21s to try the system out at his tournament to see if they can make it work, and therefore have players coming through used to the system. Maybe we'll find out more when we see the U19s line up at the euros next month.

Personally, whilst I think it's a system that may suit the seniors due to a lack of quality central midfielders and wingers, I think the tactics have actually stymied the U21s at this tournament. You can see that technically they are vastly superior to all the other teams in the competition, bar possibly Mexico, but have at times struggled to create with the system. Dowell in particular has been playing like a right winger in front of a right wing back, whereas he should be playing inside behind the forward and influencing play a lot more.

I really hope we don't see this system for the U19s. We have so many talented wide players in that squad it will be a massive shame.

A lot is to do with Boothroyd mate. Any games I've seen for England involving his teams they've looked pretty poor. Basically only got the job because he's Dan Ashworth's mate.

 

[blueblue]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

 

[blueblue]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

 

[blueblue]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

Fully agree with this, it's hard to forecast who will actually make it consistently, but I hope this season with Brands as DoF he has the wherewithal to manage expectations and maybe even send a few loans overseas like the Lookman situation, better than a lower league here.

 

[jceverton]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

I think some of them can play a reasonable amount of games this season (maybe Davies, Holgate, Lookman, Vlasic, Kenny, DCL, Dowell) some of them could make up the squad (maybe Baningime, Williams, Connolly), some may need to go on loan. If we sell some I’d like to see us considering a buy back clause. I’d be getting rid of players like Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Besic, Bolassie, Williams, Jagielka, Keane, Rooney, Martina, Siggurdson, Sandro, Klaasen to free up some space in the squad.

 

[Zatara]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

Personally id say;

Kenny is a shoe in understudy to Coleman and much like Spurs (Walker/Rose), there will come a time for him to step into Colemans shoes.

Holgate imo is our best CB

Davies, Baningime, DCL will get games as we lack options in their positions

Lookman will be a first choice by season end.

Robinson and Connolly have a good chance...LB and utility positions are open.

Dowell and Vlasic need to perform in pre season + Joe Williams i have no opinion on either way.

But they are mostly going to have very good progress this year i think...then the big decisions will be made on some in 12months time if other young players replace them or they cement their positions...

 

[blueloon]

Do you think these are Ady Bothroyds tactics mate?. I think this has come down from up top. We know Southgate has settled on a 3 at the back system for the senior team, and I believe he has asked for the U21s to try the system out at his tournament to see if they can make it work, and therefore have players coming through used to the system. Maybe we'll find out more when we see the U19s line up at the euros next month.

Personally, whilst I think it's a system that may suit the seniors due to a lack of quality central midfielders and wingers, I think the tactics have actually stymied the U21s at this tournament. You can see that technically they are vastly superior to all the other teams in the competition, bar possibly Mexico, but have at times struggled to create with the system. Dowell in particular has been playing like a right winger in front of a right wing back, whereas he should be playing inside behind the forward and influencing play a lot more.

I really hope we don't see this system for the U19s. We have so many talented wide players in that squad it will be a massive shame.

Yeah I’m aware he chose the system to mirror the seniors, but for me Bothroyd has never shown any ability to develop youngsters. I do think the system suits Kenny though, as in a four there are faster , stronger full backs around but I think he’s done well right side of a three .

 

[Barnfred 55]

Yeah I’m aware he chose the system to mirror the seniors, but for me Bothroyd has never shown any ability to develop youngsters. I do think the system suits Kenny though, as in a four there are faster , stronger full backs around but I think he’s done well right side of a three .

Yeah he's looked good at this tournament. He always does at this level though.

 

[davids]

The problem we have at Everton is that instead of too few good young players.. we have too many. None of them are so brilliant that they are straight into the team no questions asked as was the case with Rooney all those years ago.

We cannot fill our team with too many youngsters and some may find themselves being squeezed out.
We have Kenny, Holgate, Davies, Baningime, DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Robinson, Connolly, Dowell and possibly Joe Williams.

They are probably all potential premiership players but where do they fit into our team and how many can you play in any one team ?
If that isn't enough we have a more like Hornby, Feeney and Gibson pushing through as well.

A good problem, but a problem nonetheless.

Just watched a re-run of the game.Dowell can pick a pass,but is far too easily taken off the ball at that level,really starting to doubt he will handle the physicality of the Prem.

 

[CynicalBlue]

He played, one or two nice bits, but isolated for a lot of the game up front not much support,
Seemed to drift back into midfield later on in the game to get involved, showed a bit more and had a decent free kick near the end,
To be fair to the lad cant recall one ball into the back for him to attack and its a relatively new position for him, maybe that why he showed a bit more when he got involved in the midfield?

Thanks mate, I appreciate your assessment - I personally like the kid but understand he may prove successful in the lower leagues.

 

[atrottel]

I think some of them can play a reasonable amount of games this season (maybe Davies, Holgate, Lookman, Vlasic, Kenny, DCL, Dowell) some of them could make up the squad (maybe Baningime, Williams, Connolly), some may need to go on loan.

Although I would like the youth players to be worth their introduction into the first team, I think more realistically speaking the next season is going to be:
Davies (squad)
Holgate (squad)
Lookman (maybe around 1st team, maybe teddies out of pram and transfer - all depends on him and manager/DoF)
Vlasic (squad or loan in Europe)
Kenny (squad or possible transfer)
DCL (squad)
Dowell (loan or possible transfer - I have an odd suspicion he could end up with the porn barons)
Baningime (squad)
Williams (loan or transfer)
Connolly (squad or transfer)
Robinson (squad or loan)

That's even me, who is an enthusiastic backer of youth players, doubting that you are going to get nine out of a planned squad of 25 being youth players. So on the negative side, some of those I have as squad above could well leave. On the other hand, squad means that they are not automatic first choice but could convince new management to give them a chance over existing players.

(The ones I think have most of a chance are actually Baningime and Connolly. Davies and DCL are existing first team/squad players but could get crowded out as signings are being contemplated in both their positions. Holgate and Kenny are potentially having a battle for Coleman's back-up position and Holgate wins by also being back-up central defender. Out of all those my favourites are Williams and Kenny - unfortunately I don't see either of them making it here long term although I'm sure they will have good professional careers.)

 

[Nymzee]

Although I would like the youth players to be worth their introduction into the first team, I think more realistically speaking the next season is going to be:
Davies (squad)
Holgate (squad)
Lookman (maybe around 1st team, maybe teddies out of pram and transfer - all depends on him and manager/DoF)
Vlasic (squad or loan in Europe)
Kenny (squad or possible transfer)
DCL (squad)
Dowell (loan or possible transfer - I have an odd suspicion he could end up with the porn barons)
Baningime (squad)
Williams (loan or transfer)
Connolly (squad or transfer)
Robinson (squad or loan)

That's even me, who is an enthusiastic backer of youth players, doubting that you are going to get nine out of a planned squad of 25 being youth players. So on the negative side, some of those I have as squad above could well leave. On the other hand, squad means that they are not automatic first choice but could convince new management to give them a chance over existing players.

(The ones I think have most of a chance are actually Baningime and Connolly. Davies and DCL are existing first team/squad players but could get crowded out as signings are being contemplated in both their positions. Holgate and Kenny are potentially having a battle for Coleman's back-up position and Holgate wins by also being back-up central defender. Out of all those my favourites are Williams and Kenny - unfortunately I don't see either of them making it here long term although I'm sure they will have good professional careers.)

Was the quote from Brands/Silva not 25 AND youth players? In which case not all of those would be counted in the 25 right?

 

[atrottel]

Was the quote from Brands/Silva not 25 AND youth players? In which case not all of those would be counted in the 25 right?

Yes, but realistically, if you have not made your way into the 25 (which is more than two fighting for each place) then you are not really making the breakthrough. I was referring to the youth players having a realistic chance of being full squad members. Ones I would class in 'additional' youth players would be someone like Hornby, for example.

 

[Nymzee]

Yes, but realistically, if you have not made your way into the 25 (which is more than two fighting for each place) then you are not really making the breakthrough. I was referring to the youth players having a realistic chance of being full squad members. Ones I would class in 'additional' youth players would be someone like Hornby, for example.

Is it not based on age though? If you're young enough there's no need to register them in the 25 was the point I was making.