Everton Youth Teams Thread

[toffeejack]

No its because Arnold was playing for one of the best teams in the workd whereas kenny was playing for one of the worst teams. Its not that arnold seized his chance, he had arguably the best coach in the world helping him, whereas Kenny had... Alardyce.... put Kenny in that Liverpool team and Arnold in last seasons Everton team and their performances would be reversed.

Wait, what?

 

[EfcTon]

its clear Alex Arnold is a world class player in the making, possibly the best young right back in Europe. Why are Everton fans seeing their ass because Kenny isn't as good as him ?

Were lucky to have a solid young player like Kenny ready to replace Coleman. People seem to forget Kenny was originally a centre back which is why he's a better defender than Arnold. Arnold was originally a winger which is why he's better going forward than Kenny is.

 

[EfcTon]

Wait, what?

Whats confusing you ? You think Arnold would be good in last seasons Allardyce team ? Surley not.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Whats confusing you ? You think Arnold would be good in last seasons Allardyce team ? Surley not.

Can’t argue with Klopp’s record of improving and developing young players. Also you can’t argue with allardyce’s record of playing boring sterile football that nullifies the development of young players.

 

[EfcTon]

Seamus Coleman- age 21- playing for Blackpool, unable to nock Tony Hibbert out the team.

Jonjoe Kenny- age 21- already looking better than Coleman.


Kevin de Bruyne- age 20- playing in the Belgian league

Kieran Dowell- age 20- playing in the Premier league


Why do some Everton fans write our young players off before their careers have even began ?

Why do some Everton fans get annoyed because our young players aren't as good as other teams young players ?

The Everton academy got lucky with Rooney, if Liverpool didn't turn him down then our only academy players would of been Hibbert, Osman, Barkley. why is it all of a sudden our fans expect our academy players to be world beaters just like Rooney ?

 

[toffeejack]

Whats confusing you ? You think Arnold would be good in last seasons Allardyce team ? Surley not.

Klopp being the best coach in the world, he's a failure.

 

[maccavennie]

Seamus Coleman- age 21- playing for Blackpool, unable to nock Tony Hibbert out the team.

Jonjoe Kenny- age 21- already looking better than Coleman.


Kevin de Bruyne- age 20- playing in the Belgian league

Kieran Dowell- age 20- playing in the Premier league


Why do some Everton fans write our young players off before their careers have even began ?

Why do some Everton fans get annoyed because our young players aren't as good as other teams young players ?

The Everton academy got lucky with Rooney, if Liverpool didn't turn him down then our only academy players would of been Hibbert, Osman, Barkley. why is it all of a sudden our fans expect our academy players to be world beaters just like Rooney ?

When did Liverpool turn Rooney down lol

 

[EfcTon]

Klopp being the best coach in the world, he's a failure.

If he was a failure he wouldnt of took them to the champions league final and he wouldnt of turmed Salah in to one of the best

 

[maccavennie]

If he was a failure he wouldnt of took them to the champions league final and he wouldnt of turmed Salah in to one of the best

Oh hello there efc ton mate

 

[EfcTon]

When did Liverpool turn Rooney down lol

He had a trial for them before his trial with us. They sent him home because he turned up in a Everton kit.

 

[maccavennie]

He had a trial for them before his trial with us. They sent him home because he turned up in a Everton kit.

Wrong you bad biff

Turned up in his Everton kit to wind Houllier up now sod off to RAWK you tit

 

[toffeejack]

If he was a failure he wouldnt of took them to the champions league final and he wouldnt of turmed Salah in to one of the best

Hahaha a failuer isn't someone who who failed to win a final? Ok mate.

If he was the best coach in the world he wouldn't be at Liverpool.

Real Madrid? Barca? Atletico? Man Utd? Bayern? Juve? Man City? Inter Milan? Ac Milan? Top international team?

He doesn't have any of those clubs on his cv so there's no chance he's the best coach in the world.

 

[maccavennie]

Hahaha a failuer isn't someone who who failed to win a final? Ok mate.

If he was the best coach in the world he wouldn't be at Liverpool.

Real Madrid? Barca? Atletico? Man Utd? Bayern? Juve? Man City? Inter Milan? Ac Milan? Top international team?

He doesn't have any of those clubs on his cv so there's no chance he's the best coach in the world.

Your talking to a Kopite TJ so you won't get no sense out of this tit

 

[EfcTon]

Hahaha a failuer isn't someone who who failed to win a final? Ok mate.

If he was the best coach in the world he wouldn't be at Liverpool.

Real Madrid? Barca? Atletico? Man Utd? Bayern? Juve? Man City? Inter Milan? Ac Milan? Top international team?

He doesn't have any of those clubs on his cv so there's no chance he's the best coach in the world.

Thats awful logic. Simeone wasnt at any of those clubs yet he was a top coach, Mourinho wasnt at any of those clubs. Yet he was a top coach.

 

[Zatara]

Before AA was promoted to the senior team, he and Kenny used to alternate at RB for the U21s, depending on who we were playing. If it was a poor team, AA would play, but against the better teams JJ would play because they didn't trust AA defensively. In fact, I saw one game where they started with AA, then brought in JJ at half time and played AA ahead of him.

In the England set up where they play a back 3, AA would get the nod every time for me. So certainly I see JJ struggling to get in this team whilst Southgate is there or we continue to play this system.

Unless he plays the “Walker-role” at RCB

I think Holgate is made for that role, suits it more than playing in a 2 imo.

I’d be very shocked if Kenny got a senior cap in his career.

I actually thought he was very good there for the U21s in the Toulon tournament. Possibly England's most consistent player. Although he's small he was surprisingly very effective in the air.

TBH he's also a decent baller and could play the RWB role too. But I think neither position are ideally suited to him. He's an old fashioned RB in my book.

To throw my two pennies is. I am not sure Gomez has looked better than Holgate. Both of them look talented players but both have mistakes in them. Holgate's get punished more brutally because he's in a poorer team but I actually think he's made less mistakes than Gomez and has actually had far more experience at CB than him.

The Alexander Arnold/Kenny one is more clear cut. It's funny as this time 15 months ago, you watched both lads at reserve level, both playing right back and there was no doubt who the superior player was. In the reserve derby Kenny was better. For the entirety of that season he was the stand out right back in the youth league. He'd had some first team experience and did very well. He then won the World Cup for the under 20's (a squad TAA didn't make) and was one of the best players at the tournament. IF you'd have asked anyone at that moment which lad puts a late run to get into the England squad 99 out of 100 say Kenny.

Both lads get opportunities because of other lads injuries but without doubt Arnold seized his chance more than Kenny. It may be Arnold over performed and comes back down to earth a bit this season (a bit like Davies, who over performed then resorted to mean). I do think though, Arnold is a much better athlete than Kenny. He's quicker and stronger. He has great technique, but Kenny's technique is good enough for that to be competitive (he delivered crosses well).

I think thats the big thing for me with Kenny. I think he lacks a yard of pace. Everything else in his game is very good. However I think it's hard to be 5 ft 9/10 (even with a good spring) and lack pace in that position. You either need to be taller and more competent defensively or quicker. I am hoping part of this was down to Allardyce/Koeman/The chaos at the club. That they stifled him. In that defence he had always looked quick and attacking as a full back for the 23's and England youth teams so there may be something in it. However there is another part of me that thinks pace is rarely stifled, you are either quick or not. We will see I suppose.

Kenny can be a solid defender and might surprise a few by getting forward more but thats my one concern. It's what differentiates Arnold from his presently. I think Kenny is the better defender and knows the position better, a better tackler, better in the air. However Arnold goes past players and that skill has elevated him so far.

Fair points. I've always rated Gomez since he was in the U17 that won the euros with Ledson/Kenny. He's a smashing defender and he has the jump on Holgate as regards strength and power. Holgate is possibly the more assured in possession but both are good. Gomez deserves his place in the full squad no doubt. AA is the more exciting of the FBs but I still think JJ is better defensively. I think as FBs they're a lot closer then you do. The difference is AA has been given an opportunity in a confident free flowing team, and JJ hasn't. If you dare quote Kenny under Allardyce last year as a comparison I'll swing for you.

I'd like to see Kenny get a run in a confident Silva team before I make a call on that. I thought he was MOM the other night and you saw both sides to his game which you don't see under Allardyce.

As a RWB, AA get's the vote hands down.

Ha.

Not like me to disagree with you mate but I'm the opposite. I think Gomez is the one with the larger gap in quality. Think the 2 FBs, whilst completely different in styles and skillset, are a lot closer. Granted, AA is a couple of age groups below Kenny so you have to give him credit for that.

I do agree that, ideally, Kenny could do with having a little bit more pace in him, but I've seen equally slow full backs have very good careers, such as Gary Neville.

I also think it's very unfair to compare the two players based on their performances when given an opportunity last season. Kenny in the Allardyce regime is a million miles away from playing for a confident free flowing Liverpool.

I would have kept hold of Connolly as he can cover RB LB or midfield and let Kenny go out on loan. I once compared Connolly to Phil Neville so I know what you mean about risking ridicule but that's how I see it. The other option would have been to keep hold of Martina as cover as with no Europe he wouldn't be required to play many games.

No its because Arnold was playing for one of the best teams in the workd whereas kenny was playing for one of the worst teams. Its not that arnold seized his chance, he had arguably the best coach in the world helping him, whereas Kenny had... Alardyce.... put Kenny in that Liverpool team and Arnold in last seasons Everton team and their performances would be reversed.

For me its quite straightforward.

Arnold looked average at best for England youth and it was like a winger playing full back. Hence why Kenny was 1st choice (by a mile).

What were currently seeing is Arnold looking good in a rapid counter attacking team. It suits him. He also has the media praising him as he plays for the RS and they exaggerate literally everything.

Kenny has all the attributes to become a top class full back. MOTM in games at CB/RB/RWB for England youth and sometimes looked a few levels higher than anyone else on the pitch.

Coleman has been average this season...Kenny should get a start against west ham and id be more surprised if he didn't keep the shirt than Coleman getting back in.

We will see the difference 1-1 in the coming seasons where Richarlison will absolutely school Arnold...Yet Kenny will grow as a top all rounder -- like Neville.


As for Holgate, its totally bizarre what happened to him after the Derby. Hes now had no preseason and I hope Mina is starting soon to give Holgate a breather. This season I want him to be pushing Zouma out by the last few games...its about gradual development for him now to be classed as a starter or in the top 3 at the club. Gomez was class for England youth and I wanted us to sign him...however in top form ive seen nothing from him which is comparable to when Holgate is at his best...again, a case of a player suiting a team and system and being media hyped.


Btw calling Klopp 'der bestest coach in der wurld' is nothing short of a joke. Its kamikaze football spending hundreds of millions of pounds with what to show for it...nothing. The guy is a choker.