Everton Youth Teams Thread

[Nymzee]

OK so in February of this year, just 6 months ago, you suggested we pick this team:

Pickford
Mina Feeney Zouma
Kenny Davies Gomes Digne
Lookman
DCL Rich

So in February you wanted Feeney playing for us in the Premier League, and now it's "logical" that you want him sold? Ok mate, yeah, makes perfect sense.

It was nice of you to miss off the context of that lineup. The thread was titled “you’re the manager, what do you change” and I also accompanied said lineup with this line:

“Who cares, few games left, I’m not worried we’ll go down, try something new, develop some players.”

I also never said I’d personally sell Feeney I said loan/sell depending on where the club seems his future to be. He’s played too much reserves football now.

Please go back into any other thread where the children play around on a keyboard and leave the adult academy discussion to the rest of us.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Well Connolly played where Kyle John played so that’s an obvious swap.

Astley should partner Gibson with Feeney loaned/sold.

We’re being logical - it’s not rocket science.

Evans and Baningime too, plus I would argue Foulds. They've all been playing this level for 4/5 years. Loan or sell. Players like Anderson, Iverson and Simms should be getting a shout. If we get injuries then try somebody from the U18s to replace them.

 

[JimmyK]

It was nice of you to miss off the context of that lineup. The thread was titled “you’re the manager, what do you change” and I also accompanied said lineup with this line:

“Who cares, few games left, I’m not worried we’ll go down, try something new, develop some players.”

I also never said I’d personally sell Feeney I said loan/sell depending on where the club seems his future to be. He’s played too much reserves football now.

Please go back into any other thread where the children play around on a keyboard and leave the adult academy discussion to the rest of us.

Yes, that response makes you look like a very mature adult you're right.

 

[Lanolin]

It was nice of you to miss off the context of that lineup. The thread was titled “you’re the manager, what do you change” and I also accompanied said lineup with this line:

“Who cares, few games left, I’m not worried we’ll go down, try something new, develop some players.”

I also never said I’d personally sell Feeney I said loan/sell depending on where the club seems his future to be. He’s played too much reserves football now.

Please go back into any other thread where the children play around on a keyboard and leave the adult academy discussion to the rest of us.

Embarrassing response to getting shown up that to be fair.

 

[Nymzee]

Embarrassing response to getting shown up that to be fair.

I clearly wasn’t shown up as my reply shown but I always expect a reply from you these days.

 

[Nymzee]

Evans and Baningime too, plus I would argue Foulds. They've all been playing this level for 4/5 years. Loan or sell. Players like Anderson, Iverson and Simms should be getting a shout. If we get injuries then try somebody from the U18s to replace them.

Yep, agree, can’t seem to get it into some people’s heads that U23 stops being beneficial at a certain age/experience.

 

[Lanolin]

I clearly wasn’t shown up as my reply shown but I always expect a reply from you these days.

Eh? According to what I can see I’ve replied to you twice in the last 4 months, both in the same conversation?!

Anyway, on topic, I think the academy is just fine and we don’t need to turf everyone out as soon as they’re old enough to vote. Controversial.

 

[Barnfred 55]

OK so in February of this year, just 6 months ago, you suggested we pick this team:

Pickford
Mina Feeney Zouma
Kenny Davies Gomes Digne
Lookman
DCL Rich

So in February you wanted Feeney playing for us in the Premier League, and now it's "logical" that you want him sold? Ok mate, yeah, makes perfect sense.

It's stupid posts like this why I put you on ignore.

Feeney has played at this level for 4/5 years. He has captained the team for 2. He will progress no further by continuing to play at this level and has probably already stagnated to the point where he has dropped down the pecking order behind Gibson.

Nymzee was right to suggest give him a run out with the first team to test him. That's exactly what the kid needs. And right now the club need to make a decision on whether he still has a chance of playing for us. If we think he has, then loan him out for a season and see how does. If not, then sell him. The last thing we should be doing is playing him in the U23s which is not only stagnating him but also the younger players waiting to step up.

I don't know whether you've just popped in here to wind people up the wrong way, which is what you normally do with me and why I put you on ignore. But there are hundreds of other threads on here for you to do that.

 

[Nymzee]

Eh? According to what I can see I’ve replied to you twice in the last 4 months, both in the same conversation?!

Anyway, on topic, I think the academy is just fine and we don’t need to turf everyone out as soon as they’re old enough to vote. Controversial.

If you think Feeney, already behind Gibson for the first team, should be given his 4th season at reserves football over developing someone like Astley then we’ll just agree to disagree on how the academy is run at the moment & stick each other on ignore.

 

[Nymzee]

Gordon got a bit of a wasted limbo season last year and the likes of Astley, Hunt & Simms etc. could get that this year. It’s a really pointless delay in player development.

That U23 team should have players like Carrol, John, Simms, Hunt etc. starting every week.

And we wonder why we never get talented 18/19-year olds in the first team squad anymore.

 

[Lanolin]

If you think giving Feeney, already behind Gibson for the first team, should be given his 4th season at reserves football over developing someone like Astley then we’ll just agree to disagree on how the academy is run at the moment & stick each other on ignore.

I’ll take that as an apology for you just throwing round weird accusations. I won’t put you on ignore because you have interesting opinions. Just because I don’t always agree with them doesn’t mean I can’t bring myself to look at them, but if you’re not able to do that then crack on.

From what I’ve seen of Feeney he’s still got things to learn, I don’t think he’s necessarily outgrown the under 23s just because he’s been in the side a while, and I don’t know whether getting him games at a decent level on loan is as easy as you’re suggesting. I also think there are things you don’t take into account, like character, experience and partnerships, which can aid the development of other players. You see youth development as very black and white and I see it as far more nuanced than that.

 

[mightymoyes]

I’ll take that as an apology for you just throwing round weird accusations. I won’t put you on ignore because you have interesting opinions. Just because I don’t always agree with them doesn’t mean I can’t bring myself to look at them, but if you’re not able to do that then crack on.

From what I’ve seen of Feeney he’s still got things to learn, I don’t think he’s necessarily outgrown the under 23s just because he’s been in the side a while, and I don’t know whether getting him games at a decent level on loan is as easy as you’re suggesting. I also think there are things you don’t take into account, like character, experience and partnerships, which can aid the development of other players. You see youth development as very black and white and I see it as far more nuanced than that.

some of the loans we've sent young players on have been ridiculous and i'm sure done more harm to their development than good.

 

[JimmyK]

It's stupid posts like this why I put you on ignore.

Feeney has played at this level for 4/5 years. He has captained the team for 2. He will progress no further by continuing to play at this level and has probably already stagnated to the point where he has dropped down the pecking order behind Gibson.

Nymzee was right to suggest give him a run out with the first team to test him. That's exactly what the kid needs. And right now the club need to make a decision on whether he still has a chance of playing for us. If we think he has, then loan him out for a season and see how does. If not, then sell him. The last thing we should be doing is playing him in the U23s which is not only stagnating him but also the younger players waiting to step up.

I don't know whether you've just popped in here to wind people up the wrong way, which is what you normally do with me and why I put you on ignore. But there are hundreds of other threads on here for you to do that.

You put me on ignore because I made a sarcastic post after you completely misunderstood a point I made, and because you don't like people who disagree with you. That's obvious from the fact you're now calling my post stupid when I think it's anything but. If you think it makes sense to say someone should be in the first team one minute and sold the next, I don't think it's me that's lacking intelligence.

I have posted in this thread consistently since I joined the forum a couple of months ago and will continue to do so, it's neither your forum nor your team, so kindly let me have my own say on things where I want to.

Testing Feeney in the first team is YOUR OPINION of what he needs. It's not a fact, so don't state it as one, and have the grace to accept that not everybody will agree. Players develop differently, some need to be moved up a level quickly and some take a bit longer to find their feet. If we take your view as definitive then we put Astley in now and at the end of next season we're saying he needs to be either ready to step up to the first team or shipped out, even though he'll only be 19. I think that's absolutely crazy, but I appreciate that you disagree.

I think it's weird that you're in other threads saying Kenny and Calvert Lewin need time and shouldn't be judged too harshly when they're 22 and have had a couple of years to get used to the level they're playing at, but that the same doesn't apply to 19 year old lads in the under 23s, it smacks of double standards to me. But again, you're welcome to your opinion, and to post in this thread if you want.

 

[Lanolin]

some of the loans we've sent young players on have been ridiculous and i'm sure done more harm to their development than good.

Completely agree. I said a few days ago, people get obsessed with loans as if they’re the only option, despite almost none of them being successful for us in recent memory. Sometimes a player can develop more with better coaches, better facilities and even being nearer home. Loans can be good for specific development areas, or for players who have shown that they’ve outgrown junior football because they’re just too good for it. I’m not sure the likes of Gibson and Feeney have done that yet.

 

[BornBlue76]

Who's Mrs France?

Elizabeth France.. wife of David France.. an Everton histrorian. Toffeeweb did their annual interview with her.. excellent read. An excerpt of the point:

Despite our success with the Under 23 team, our young players struggle to progress – perhaps the Premier League standard is too high and our patience too short. Tom Davies, Dom Calvert-Lewin and Jonjoe Kenny have yet to fully embrace their opportunities. So much potential, so few results. Possibly, we have unreal expectations. After all, we develop only one youngster of real merit every couple of seasons. The past 20 years or so have produced Jeffers, Anichebe, Branch, Ball, Dunne, Hibbert, Osman, Rodwell, Barkley and, of course, Our Wayne. How many of them – in their prime - would get into our first-team today? I hope I’m not alone in thinking that youth teams should not be judged by the trophies they win, but by how many players make it to the first-team or are sold for a handsome profit. Which makes me fret about Lewis Gibson whose contract expires in June 2020.

Edit: see you've been answered with the link too..