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Everton Youth Teams Thread

I think this is a very interesting article. As a lad who would play Centre half who’s main skill was reading the game I can really see what they are saying. There is a very particular mindset involved in defending properly and orientating your entire thinking around preventing danger. I never really wanted more than 2 touches on the ball and most of my work would be done with 1.


There has been a trend for quicker more powerful defenders. Sometimes though having speed covers for a lack of defensive basics. More importantly it has led to defensive units resembling 4 individuals, as opposed to a unit of 4 who compliment one another.


In relation to our academy a perfect example that bucks this trend is Morgan Feeney. On the one hand as a 16 year old he looked a very slight lad who wasn’t the quickest. Definitely not one you’d look at and fancy them and one at first impression you’d look at and think he’s there to make up the numbers. However when you watch him, as has been alluded to he does the basics very well. Positioning, body shape & technique in the tackle.

Unfortunately as football fans generally we don’t view those things as worthy and praiseworthy as attacking facets of the game. It’s taken for granted everyone should be brave, be able to tackle but there is a lot of technical skill involved in the timing of the tackle of how you position yourself and decision making when to look to tackle. It’s clear that Feeney is very good on those attributes. That’s not to say he excels at youth level yet, and particular under 21’s as because of his lack of size he is still not that effective but as he grows you can see a very natural defender in there.

I am probably as guilty as this as anyone. I saw Lees (and indeed Yarney though I think Yarney has a bit more about him) and you take a look at their physique and are wowed and think they can make the step up. In spite of what scouts say I do think a lot of snap judgements are made like that. The problem with good defending is that it needs to be seen over a longer period of time and is more subtle. Sometimes it can be as simple as being stood 2 yards to the left where most players would be 2 yards to the right that will mark you out as a good defender. The art of good defending is focussing your entire attention on minimising risk and preventing danger.

Too often defending is reduced down to concepts such as “bravery” “bottle” and the like. That attitude pervades most English thinking. A lad who doesn’t tackle is a coward as opposed to a lad that doesn’t tackle may be lacking in the technique and confidence to do so. Even that article frames defenders such as Adams, Butcher etc as warrior types whereas the focus ought to be one them as technically and mentally very skilled players. I think that’s a key difference in thinking between the English and say the Italians who understand that defending is an artform just as other areas are.

The other lads I will give mentions to here are Kenny & Pennington. Unsworth spoke of Kenny being a “throwback” and a “proper defender”. Again that was clear form a young age. He didn’t have the height or physicality to play centre half but at youth level that’s where they persisted with him because they could see he had the technical and mental skills require to play that role. Ultimately he hasn’t developed the physical attributes yet but he will be a very good full back.

I would give a lot of credit to our academy staff for this. Many will put bigger lads in there to minimise risk and get better results. Ours persisted with Kenny and now Feeney even if they were a little smaller. I think having Stubbs/Weir and now Unsworth in charge, all defenders who didn’t rely on pace has definitely helped in that regard. I know Stubbs thought very highly of Kenny. We had a 16 year old lad who was probably 5 ft 7 and 9 ½ stone playing against men.

The other one I like is Pennington. He is a clever lad and you can see he gets the art of defending. The amount of blocks he gets is testament to his ability to read the game. I think he is a very promising player.

I know @blueblue has mentioned in relation Connolly we are very good at bringing through a certain type of player. I agree entirely, defenders up to central midfield players who display a “football intelligence” I think we have excelled at over the last 10 years. I’m not sure if it’s the coaching, what we look for in players or that we move them up the age groups quicker but we do a lot right there.

Even when we play the other two “top” academies Chelsea & Manchester City what is clear is often their players are bigger, quicker and stronger but maybe not as technically skilled in relation to defending (more so Chelsea). We are quite noticeably different there.

So yes I agree with much of the article. I put the blame on a lot of youth coaching and also scouting. I don’t doubt if you spoke to such academies they would bemoan the lost art of defending but probably not see how the re-enforce that. I am quite pleased to see that at Everton we are bucking the trend somewhat.

I think one of the biggest issues is as a kid growing up keeping clean sheets for some bizarre reason isn't taught to be as rewards as scoring/assisting goals. Personally I think it's madness; you could score a goal but lose 5-1 but if you keep a clean sheet you have at least gained your team 1 point.

I know from my personal experience people are very reluctant to defend; growing up I always wanted the ball, to influence things, to stand out. However as much as I loved playing in midfield I found myself constantly dropping right back into the middle of the centre-backs because I wanted the ball straight away. As well as now being 6'4" I never even considered being a defender till a year ago. So I switched and I started watching football matches more closely and got super into tactics and formations and defending in general. I get so much more pleasure watching a great defensive display these days than seeing goals scored. Give me Inter Milan and Atletico over Barcelona any day.

However I had to do this on my own, I wasn't told to change my mindset, and that is the problem I see. Defenders are now just physically imposing midfielders and wingers but aren't understanding the rewards of defending. It worries me how little regard goes into stopping people from scoring in the youth teams of today.
 
Rumours on Twitter Stanek, Antonee Robinson & Grant not getting their contracts renewed this summer; Grant I'm not surprised by, never seen Stanek but he's been on first team bench before & I always thought before his bad injury Robinson was highly thought of at full-back?
 
Rumours on Twitter Stanek, Antonee Robinson & Grant not getting their contracts renewed this summer; Grant I'm not surprised by, never seen Stanek but he's been on first team bench before & I always thought before his bad injury Robinson was highly thought of at full-back?
Really surprised by the Antonee Robinson one, looked excellent in the brief bits I saw of him.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ngland-dna-roy-hodgson-centre-backs-euro-2016

Quite a nice article (and comments) on the state of defending in academies. Do we know much about the main principles we try teach our defenders? Is it all the Stones mould now? I know Holgate is at least like that but I do miss my bruisers.

Defo points out the need to rotate players through positions at youth level. No need to label a 9 year a "striker" or a "defender" or "defensive mid" at that age. Rotate them through, teach them skills at each position, and find out what they are good at. Forced rotation also means you're not relying on a kid to hold his hand up to defend. Like getting kids to eat food they've never tried.
 

Teams to be decided in the next two weeks.

Imagine, a United/Chelsea U21 final. Attendance, 10000.

I remember seeing Bristol City in 2 finals, years ago, (Moyes played ffs!). Old Wembley sold out pretty much. Bet this years had 70000 ish.

We already have a U21 FA Cup thing as it is.
 
I did mention that we maybe playing in the FL Trophy a few weeks back. I for one am happy about it, maybe a chance at a few lower league away games that we wouldn't normally play. Fleetwood away please.
 
Rumours on Twitter Stanek, Antonee Robinson & Grant not getting their contracts renewed this summer; Grant I'm not surprised by, never seen Stanek but he's been on first team bench before & I always thought before his bad injury Robinson was highly thought of at full-back?
This is what I've seen:
Academy defenders James Graham and Jordan Thorniley, as well as goalkeeper Jindrich Stanek, have also been let go by the Blues.

But new contract offers have been made to a clutch of Everton’s young players.

Harry Charsley, Tyrone Duffus, Calum Dyson, Conor Grant, Louis Gray, Russell Griffiths and Antonee Robinson have all been approached over fresh terms."

I think Stanek's bench appearance was due to multi injuries, he appeared to be behind Hewelt, Griffiths and Gray at u21 level, and fact Gray has been offered a contract would seem to confirm that.
Absolutely right for Robinson to be offered something after his injury and the promise he showed , albeit briefly, on pre season last year. Charsley has shown promise but needs a loan to establish what level he's capable of playing at. You have to think that both Dyson and Grant are going to struggle to be PL players but who knows.
Apparently Gibson has been offered a 2 year contract extension, shudder, to me that's just someone potentially blocking one of our exciting midfield youngsters getting squad time, crazy.
Edit : sorry mate didn't see your correction hidden by " there are more posts"
 
This is what I've seen:
Academy defenders James Graham and Jordan Thorniley, as well as goalkeeper Jindrich Stanek, have also been let go by the Blues.

But new contract offers have been made to a clutch of Everton’s young players.

Harry Charsley, Tyrone Duffus, Calum Dyson, Conor Grant, Louis Gray, Russell Griffiths and Antonee Robinson have all been approached over fresh terms."

I think Stanek's bench appearance was due to multi injuries, he appeared to be behind Hewelt, Griffiths and Gray at u21 level, and fact Gray has been offered a contract would seem to confirm that.
Absolutely right for Robinson to be offered something after his injury and the promise he showed , albeit briefly, on pre season last year. Charsley has shown promise but needs a loan to establish what level he's capable of playing at. You have to think that both Dyson and Grant are going to struggle to be PL players but who knows.
Apparently Gibson has been offered a 2 year contract extension, shudder, to me that's just someone potentially blocking one of our exciting midfield youngsters getting squad time, crazy.

Mhm I corrected myself above. Personally I think Gibson was offered the deal because the club still think he would demand a fee and it was a waste letting him go at his age (28) for free. No worries about the kids progression into the first team.

Did you see the keeper I mentioned we're supposed to be getting this week? Renshaw from Oldham.
 
Mhm I corrected myself above. Personally I think Gibson was offered the deal because the club still think he would demand a fee and it was a waste letting him go at his age (28) for free. No worries about the kids progression into the first team.

Did you see the keeper I mentioned we're supposed to be getting this week? Renshaw from Oldham.
Aye, I added an Edit , guess our posts crossed.
 

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