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Everton Youth Teams Thread

Guardiola went from Barca B to Barca at the beginning, just a thought...
Zidane also went from the Real Madrid youth team to the first team. Bit different for clubs like that though since there is so much quality in the first team that even a terrible manager would have them finish in the top 3.
 
Funny thing man management. The lads have to want to play for you, Respect you, Follow you....as far as I can see..Unsy just has it... You can tell the team ( not just respect the man ) but genuinly like him.
He was my first choice ahead of Koeman...deffo an appointment to early (I see that now) but in 3 years I couldnt think of a better man.
He already gets us coz he is one.
 
I have friends who are high up at Preston North End.

Rhino is very highly thought of there for when Grayson departs (within the next 18 months or so depending on performance)
Didn't we have an ex Preston boss join our ranks? Seriously that would be a good standard to begin his managerial apprenticeship. What shouldn't be forgotten is the job Stubbs did at hibs and is now in the championship as well. Throw in the mix Kevin sheedy, John ebrell as well, the academy is not only a breeding ground for some talented players, but also a breeding ground for some talented coaches/managers.
 
Didn't we have an ex Preston boss join our ranks? Seriously that would be a good standard to begin his managerial apprenticeship. What shouldn't be forgotten is the job Stubbs did at hibs and is now in the championship as well. Throw in the mix Kevin sheedy, John ebrell as well, the academy is not only a breeding ground for some talented players, but also a breeding ground for some talented coaches/managers.

Rhino had a spell coaching there too. Shoe in for that job in my opinion.
 
Funny thing man management. The lads have to want to play for you, Respect you, Follow you....as far as I can see..Unsy just has it... You can tell the team ( not just respect the man ) but genuinly like him.
He was my first choice ahead of Koeman...deffo an appointment to early (I see that now) but in 3 years I couldnt think of a better man.
He already gets us coz he is one.
I'm the same age as Unsworth, but every time I read a statement from him I wish I could play for him! If he is anything like how he comes across in interviews he will be an amazing manager!
 

Awesome read Catcher! Your posts and the youth thread was my first and main attraction to GOT! Love this thread!

It will be harder for the kids to break through under our new regime but guess that's what we want. We want to be the best so the kids know that they need to be world class to crack it but could still have a great career else where.

Main reason I don't want to sign another right back for instance as Kenny is at the age he needs to understudy Coleman. Galloway needs to understudy at centre back. Davies must play and I would get more joy seeing him running around than any marquee signing. Their development is stifled by new signings. They can't be ready without game time so we need to suck it up and take more risks on youth in my opinion.

Saying that I'm a sucker for youth and have been gutted when some I thought nailed on were released or let leave.

Besides the normal suspects I'm watching Brewster closely. First time I saw him was a tour to South Africa some years ago when he reminded me of a young Lukaku and I've tried to follow him since. Much bigger than the others really powerful. Thing is he's not actually a kid anymore and in today's game to make it I feel you need to be knocking on the door ever younger than before and he should be closer than he is. I still have a lot of hope for him, more so than I have had in a youth striker since Vaughan.

On Unsworth I posted on TW back in Feb that he should be given the manager role for the balance of the season as he really impressed me everytime he spoke. He turned around a u21 season that started poorly and let's be honest the season was gone. It would have given him and us a chance to develop him and test him at the top too. I don't think it was the right time for him to take the job full time but I was hoping he would be assistant manager. His current role is probably best for all concerned.

I'm curious about Ledson. By Martinez's process he is further along than Davies as it appears loan is the last step before first team. Then all of a sudden Davies gets a crack maybe just because he was around where Ledson was away. Now he is the golden boy, where perhaps we should be expecting Ledson to break through and Davies to head off on loan.

Man I'm excited by these kids!

Sorry for the long post, my first on this thread.
 
I'm the same age as Unsworth, but every time I read a statement from him I wish I could play for him! If he is anything like how he comes across in interviews he will be an amazing manager!
How an Everton manager conducts himself is important. We generally have always had managers who are decent individuals, who represent the club dignity and understand the stature of the club. As you have alluded to, unsworth possesses all those qualities.
 
Good point about giggs, I'll be honest he's never struck me as a manager type. But who knows what the future holds? Luis Enrique at barca went to another club (don't know which one to learn his apprenticeship in the managerial game) but as you state unsworth is at higher starting point then both as the success he has endured with the under 21s.

yep Giggs' whole demeanour has never looked to me like a man who has the belief he's gonna be a top boss. Always looked like a yes man to me, though if course I don't know him personally.
 

.....I'm always a bit wary of youth coaches stepping up as 1st team managers. Colin Harvey won a youth cup and was instrumental in the development of players who served us so well (Graham Sharp et al) but he couldn't make the step up. It might be a little different now that we have a DoF but expertise in the transfer market is such a key competency but one that is an unknown for Unsworth.

A good point matey. There seems to have been a good debate on this and rather than reply to each comment I will try to cover it more broadly here.

There is definitely a lazy assumption people can make the step up. Harvey struggled here and Gabriel was a disaster for a short period. Having said that Stubbs has gone into management and done quite well. I maintain had Stubbs, working with Weir, Neville/Round etc with Unsworth below him been in charge I don't think we'd have ended up in the mess we did last season, albeit we may not have conquered the heights of the first season.

The people who mention Giggs are also right about this. However Giggs doesn't strike me as having a fraction of the abilities Unsworth has re management. He seems quite charmless, entitled and his behaviour towards the latter days of Moyes was borderline treacherous. United presently also expect the managers mandate to go far wider than the role would be for Unsworth if it was done right.

Unsworth has been given significant experience of coaching and managing a team, albeit an under 21's team and has also done a caretakers job elsewhere. The way he conducts himself is very different to Giggs who I think is relying on a name. I would liken it a bit more to big Dunc. I think Duncan has done far more than Giggs but ultimately lacks a lot of the key attributes I see in Unsworth.

The best example I can give where it works has been Guardiola. It also worked very well at Ajax with De Boer and now Cocu at PSV stepping up from the younger sides. I think at clubs where there is a clear philosophy bedded in with managers who understand the club it works well. For Harvey he fulfilled many of those things though off the field I think Everton were in a difficult place and lacked the support we now have.

It will all depend on how the managers role goes and how we do off the field too. If Walsh can come in and have a similar impact to what he had at Leicester. If we can get guys like David Dein in to help with transfers on the board and commercial revenues grow. If Royle is still willing to play a fairly hands on role going into his late 60's I can see Unsworth thriving. There are all big ifs above but they still have the potential of happening.

If Unsworth is given a role where development and coaching are central and support is given to him in terms of recruitment and bringing players through I think he will excel in the role. I have seen first hand how players have developed under his stewardship, but more importantly developed in a way that helps them be ready to play in the first team and win games. More than just technical skill but the mental side of things.

If he was thrown in the deep end, like anyone he would struggle but I do think if we get things right off the pitch he will be a very strong contender. A lot will depend on how we see the managers role going forward. How far the DOF role will develop etc.
 
Can also note Giggs rejected the chance to be the youth team manager at United this summer.

I don't care if you've been under SAF for all those years and assistant to the last two bosses; rejected the chance for managerial practice at any age group and expecting to be the manager of the bigger club in England is just downright delusional.

I can't see Giggs managing at a level any better than the likes of Sheringham.
 
Can also note Giggs rejected the chance to be the youth team manager at United this summer.

I don't care if you've been under SAF for all those years and assistant to the last two bosses; rejected the chance for managerial practice at any age group and expecting to be the manager of the bigger club in England is just downright delusional.

I can't see Giggs managing at a level any better than the likes of Sheringham.

Giggs has not come across well over the last 3 years. He's been the one constant for the 3 years of underachievement. He had a short cameo appearance as United manager and flopped (compared to the transformation Unsworth enjoyed, just showing it shouldn't be taken as a given).

He also knifed Moyes in the back when the going got tough and disappeared from view. That was truly awful behaviour and akin to Kenny at Liverpool with Hodgson. Whatever you think of Moyes (or Hodgson) that is unedifying behaviour.

Unsworth came here to work as an assistant to Stubbs. At every opportunity he has bided his time and believed in his own ability to show he can make the step up. Giggs's behaviour is akin to a guy who wants it handed to him on a plate.
 
Giggs has not come across well over the last 3 years. He's been the one constant for the 3 years of underachievement. He had a short cameo appearance as United manager and flopped (compared to the transformation Unsworth enjoyed, just showing it shouldn't be taken as a given).

He also knifed Moyes in the back when the going got tough and disappeared from view. That was truly awful behaviour and akin to Kenny at Liverpool with Hodgson. Whatever you think of Moyes (or Hodgson) that is unedifying behaviour.

Unsworth came here to work as an assistant to Stubbs. At every opportunity he has bided his time and believed in his own ability to show he can make the step up. Giggs's behaviour is akin to a guy who wants it handed to him on a plate.

is it any surprise given what he did to his brother? Possibly my most hated welshman ever. Scum of a human being and an utter utter bore to boot, imagine listening to him in the dressing room as a coach, i'd be handing a transfer request in at half time.
 
A good point matey. There seems to have been a good debate on this and rather than reply to each comment I will try to cover it more broadly here.

There is definitely a lazy assumption people can make the step up. Harvey struggled here and Gabriel was a disaster for a short period. Having said that Stubbs has gone into management and done quite well. I maintain had Stubbs, working with Weir, Neville/Round etc with Unsworth below him been in charge I don't think we'd have ended up in the mess we did last season, albeit we may not have conquered the heights of the first season.

The people who mention Giggs are also right about this. However Giggs doesn't strike me as having a fraction of the abilities Unsworth has re management. He seems quite charmless, entitled and his behaviour towards the latter days of Moyes was borderline treacherous. United presently also expect the managers mandate to go far wider than the role would be for Unsworth if it was done right.

Unsworth has been given significant experience of coaching and managing a team, albeit an under 21's team and has also done a caretakers job elsewhere. The way he conducts himself is very different to Giggs who I think is relying on a name. I would liken it a bit more to big Dunc. I think Duncan has done far more than Giggs but ultimately lacks a lot of the key attributes I see in Unsworth.

The best example I can give where it works has been Guardiola. It also worked very well at Ajax with De Boer and now Cocu at PSV stepping up from the younger sides. I think at clubs where there is a clear philosophy bedded in with managers who understand the club it works well. For Harvey he fulfilled many of those things though off the field I think Everton were in a difficult place and lacked the support we now have.

It will all depend on how the managers role goes and how we do off the field too. If Walsh can come in and have a similar impact to what he had at Leicester. If we can get guys like David Dein in to help with transfers on the board and commercial revenues grow. If Royle is still willing to play a fairly hands on role going into his late 60's I can see Unsworth thriving. There are all big ifs above but they still have the potential of happening.

If Unsworth is given a role where development and coaching are central and support is given to him in terms of recruitment and bringing players through I think he will excel in the role. I have seen first hand how players have developed under his stewardship, but more importantly developed in a way that helps them be ready to play in the first team and win games. More than just technical skill but the mental side of things.

If he was thrown in the deep end, like anyone he would struggle but I do think if we get things right off the pitch he will be a very strong contender. A lot will depend on how we see the managers role going forward. How far the DOF role will develop etc.

Normally I would say go learn your trade at the lower levels, but Unsy has something different about him. As has been said with a recruitment team in place, and mentors all over the show it's a go for me. The last piece you mentioned as well. IF, we get the number of kids through that we think are possible, having Unsy manage them in the prime of their careers is an absolute no brainer for me. I would love for Koeman to win everything, move on the Barca and then have Unsy manage us for the next 20 years.
 

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