ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
There's a chance of me bucking Katie Price but I wouldn't be laying your mortgage payment dough on it lol
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FA Cup Winners or Champions League - Poll added
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There's a chance of me bucking Katie Price but I wouldn't be laying your mortgage payment dough on it lol
Point taken by Spurs didn’t have the Don. Think about all the great players who have played for him in the last 5 years who would love to follow him here if we have Champions league footy to offer them! Top 4 means an amazing summer window providing Mosh keeps backing him. We would probably go out the competition early given our lack of experience in it but next years team could be an 80 point plus side
messymascot
Player Valuation: £35m
Love them both but they were under the radar types. I still want these type of signings but it would be nice to have all options available. Sigurdsson was bought to be a marquee signing. If James is Champagne Sigurdsson is Asti.
Bluebonic
Player Valuation: £35m
Silverware and EL this season would do me. Win-win, we would be in Europe and would have Carlo’s first trophy as Everton manager. Then buy three or four boss players in the summer window and go for CL next season! winning the cup would let them see that they are truly worthy of competing with our rivals for top four.
not to be a doom and gloom merchant - but there will be no bigger open door than this season. Liverpool, Chelsea (pre tuchel), spurs, arsenal, Leicester & united have all blown - up or showing signs they might.
we will be better next year, but top 4 will be tougher
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Would we take part regularly right now though or would it just be a flash in the pan? If someone said to me you'd qualify regularly for CL over the next 10 years then that's different. As it happens a trophy is much better than a single 4th place finish.
FA Cup would mean the world to me.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
It's a fair point, but I suppose I just don't see that mate, and in honesty, people say the same every year.
I think you have to take each team on their own merit, but start from the wider point that the top 6 is disintegrating and has been over a 2-3 year period.
Tuchel at Chelsea I do think will get a lot stronger. He looks a good fit, has managed that level of side at Dortmund and to a degree PSG and seems tactically a bit more flexible than say a Klopp. Also when a side spends big, it tends to be the 2nd season they do better. They will have that, with a better manager, who has had 6 months to work with his team. Ideal, sort of like what Klopp had at Liverpool when he first went in. While I think City will be out in front, I do think there will be a big gap to 2nd.
Beyond them, I can't see too many wider trends that suggest as much. Liverpool are in the midst of a sharp decline that may not have even fully hit rock bottom and if they miss out on CL could be a fire sale. In honesty, Arsenal, under Arteta are currently miles off and I expect more belt tightening from them, and Spurs could lose more key players. You also have the old "Mourinho's 3rd season" territory being approached and their best two players getting a year older.
Leicester haven't blown up as yet. They on almost identifical points to last season but may still blow up. Vardy is another year older and is reducing his affect. If they got CL it would probably help them, so they could go either way. United are a funny one, I sense they rode the crest of a wave this season, and if they were stock, I'd say they were a bit overpriced.
Essentially if I was backing the 6, I'd say City and Chelsea would be big improvers, even before is not achieved Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs (remember Liverpool will not have that pre-Christmas run to fall back on where everyone was terrified of them) will likely fall further or at least consolidate potentially outside of the top 4-5 and United look like a team who will struggle to be 2 points per game to me. Leicester could go either way.
Our job, is to stop thinking about things as in this "all or nothing" type of way. It's been said every season for about the last 10, if we don't break in this season that will be it and it will become a closed shop forever. I remember saying it last season, that the top 6 would not occupy all those positions next year. People get ideas about them because they are distorted by the media. What we have seen this season,is furtehr disintegration of that, and there's every chance as many sides in the "14" will occupy top positions as those from the "6".
What we have to do is keep improving, and keep the key fundamentals in place. If you are improving compared to your challengers the rest will look after itself. Even if all ofthe above fall away, there will be a new set of sides to defeat anyway. If we can get to mid 60's this season in points, it would represent a 30% improvement year on year and close to a 35% year on year improvement since Brands arrived. An expectation should be, over the next 3 years, that is continued which would put us mid 80's in points in 3 years. That has to be our goal.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
As for the debate, I'd take the Cup all day, but for the club the CL would be a game changer.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
And there are plenty of other examples of cup success going hand in hand with relegation and years in the wilderness of lower division football.
Birmingham City the case from hell, the nightmare scenario
Birmingham won the league cup beating Arsenal in the final in 2011, since when they've just gone in one direction and never looked like getting back.
Relegated that same cup winning year they had to sell players in the summer and were burdened by an unwanted Europa League the following year. The sheer number of games, the championship has far more anyway, with a depleted squad after sales absolutely binned their promising promotion campaign. Even worse followed when relative success in Europe meant further unwanted games, they just couldn't cope, dropped down like a stone and completely imploded.
Other domestic cup winners and finalists like Portsmouth, Swansea, Middlesboro, Watford, Hull City and of course the already mentioned Wigan and Birmingham don't reel off like a list of teams that have far from prospered. This lot possibly had one good occasion, a nice day out followed by years and years or even decades of misery ever after. The magic of the cup eh.
Give me Champions league qualification every time, not even close tbh.
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Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
This is actually my prediction. Seriously. No laughing emojis.
If I had to choose I'd take the cup though.
I know a number of you will quite rightly say why can't we have both!!However if you were pinned down(Oooooeeeerr Mrslol) and could only choose one this season,what would it be?, personally and call me a sentimental old fool if you will,I would want the FA Cup every day of the week over the CL,yes Europes premier competition would be fantastic and obviously in monetary terms and in ways of raising the clubs profile it would be immense, but whilst qualifying would be great, lets face it at this current juncture of our "Carlo journey"we would have no real chance of winning it, but winning that old cup even in a pandemic season would be another massive monkey off our back and another box ticked!!
As far as I'm concerned it has to be winning the FA Cup. Going back to when David Moyes was in charge, I would've happily swapped our fourth-place finish for winning the FA Cup. Getting to see Everton win a trophy is a fantastic feeling.
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