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Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

  • Pleased

    Votes: 111 7.9%

  • Disappointed

    Votes: 1,295 92.1%
  • Total voters
    1,406
Neiler said:
Disagree mate, for potentially a few million, NEA how the shorts look. I think its less about swelling the coffers and more the strategy of getting the money on the pitch via the regulations around wages.
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At some point though it doesnt become worth it. If you make football players walking billboards the aesthetic value of football is diminished...and all for the sake of a few extra million that every team will get (and teams will get at at a rate usually commensurate with their current status in the league and therefore the purpose of securing deals is negated).

Moshiri needs to pull in cash that other clubs who we view as being behind us cant access and thereby securing us a financial base to launch an assault on the clubs ahead of us financially. He's a billionaire with a lot of contacts so where is the creative thinking on that? So far he's merely suggested a commercial arm that goes on performing 'as is' with only a new stadium shifting us forward.

Sounds very familiar.
 
Next we'll have those horrible kits you get where there's a sponsor in place of the player's name, making it look like every player is called COCA COLA etc. Where will it end?

This is one of the big reasons why I'm starting to get a bit tired of football.

Yeah but muuuuuuunnnnnaaaaaaaayyyyy!!!! ££££££'s ;)
 
The Esk said:
The new advertising opportunities will just further widen the gap between the relatively rich and the relatively poor. It will add to the financial inequality within the premier League.
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No doubt, but does that play out in reality mate, the nuts and bolts of it are fundamentally on the pitch and at what point is finance irrelevant from a sporting perspective. I mean can City be beaten on any given week in the PL, yes. Leicester won the title last year competitively against the very rich teams. Does the financial behemoth that is Utd necessarily gaurentee success, Norway equally. At what point does the injection of finance become irrelevant to the very rich but makes the less rich clubs far more competitive. Is the injection of finance at the mid to lower end of the PL clubs whats makes the league so competitive and does that create a pathway for success? Certainly the make up of the competitive nature of the league and the "underdog" success we have seen would seem to suggest this. Its an interesting point, does the finance make things less or more competitive.
 
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davek said:
At some point though it doesnt become worth it. If you make football players walking billboards the aesthetic value of football is diminished...and all for the sake of a few extra million that every team will get (and teams will get at at a rate usually commensurate with their current status in the league and therefore the purpose of securing deals is negated).

Moshiri needs to pull in cash that other clubs who we view as being behind us cant access and thereby securing us a financial base to launch an assault on the clubs ahead of us financially. He's a billionaire with a lot of contacts so where is the creative thinking on that? So far he's merely suggested a commercial arm that goes on performing 'as is' with only a new stadium shifting us forward.

Sounds very familiar.
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I take the point but disagree of the sponsorship end, its down to individual perspective though im generally NEA about it, especially for a few million.

On Moshiri, i would disagree with you so far, the debt issue and stadium are important key indicators leading me to favor him and seeing him as an improvement presently. I agree on ongoing assessment and being open minded though, many a take over shone brightly initially, but the fire works are positive thus far. Small sample size though, so i wouldnt be nailing for or against presently, ive been very impressed with the fundamental obstacles he seems to be tackling as opposed to the last regime in a relatively short space of time. Much in conjecture at the moment and until it become concrete i wouldnt have a hard line, but ive seen nothing yet to be mistrusting.
 
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Neiler said:
No doubt, but does that play out in reality mate, the nuts and bolts of it are fundamentally on the pitch and at what point is finance irrelevant from a sporting perspective. I mean can City be beaten on any given week in the PL, yes. Leicester won the title last year competitively against the very rich teams last year Does the financial behemoth that is Utd necessarily gaurentee success, Norway equally. At what point does the injection of finance become irrelevant to the very rich but makes the less rich clubs far more competitive. Is the injection of finance at the mid to lower end of the PL clubs whats makes the league so competitive and does that create a pathway for success? Certainly the make up of the competitive nature of the league and the "underdog" success we have seen would seem this way. Its an interesting point, does the fiance make things less or more competitive.
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It's a good point about the incremental increase that can be made by 'smaller' clubs vis-a-vis bigger ones. I suppose there has to be a tipping point where more cash for the big clubs adds not much to their performance on the pitch.

However, we should be seeing a very PARTICULAR gain from our Moshiri association which I'm not seeing yet...something that just gives us an advantage.
 
davek said:
It's a good point about the incremental increase that can be made by 'smaller' clubs vis-a-vis bigger ones. I suppose there has to be a tipping point where more cash for the big clubs adds not much to their performance in the pitch.

However, we should be seeing a very PARTICULAR gain from our Moshiri association which I'm not seeing yet...something that just gives us an advantage.
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But is it a really healthy thing being drip fed by an owner long term? I know we have had this conversation in the past, im not a huge fan of that model its had its success and spectacular failures. I dont think its healthy for the overall long term health of clubs. The approach that is facility, organic revenue growth led is the model i prefer like Arsenal and think is the model we should follow.

But i agree with you in the sense, for a takeover to have an "umph" in some ways you have to waste money in the transfer market to establish yourself. Look at Chelsea and City, comparatively they cant hold a candle to us traditionally. Yet they needed an outlay to establish themselves or rather make them marketable. They wasted loads on the Robinhos, Adebeyors, Santa Cruz's, Gullits, Vialli's etc. They did that for box office and over the space of five years became "established".

Its likely some balance between the two will need to be made and i think thats what we are trying to do - i think its a very delicate balance with many pit falls, but if its executed correctly as with Chelsea and City and if we can get the Arsenals model in place long term, i think its the correct pathway. Its mad to think of the wasted transfer money though to even put yourself on the map, i suppose that is why Walsh will be so key and maybe explains his recruitment.
 
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Baines' left foot said:
Next we'll have those horrible kits you get where there's a sponsor in place of the player's name, making it look like every player is called COCA COLA etc. Where will it end?

This is one of the big reasons why I'm starting to get a bit tired of football.

Yeah but muuuuuuunnnnnaaaaaaaayyyyy!!!! ££££££'s ;)
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I take your point but that's not going to happen. They've agreed that sponsors names can be on the sleeves, not the back of the shirt. Players names and numbers will still be the only thing on the back of the shirts.
 
Neiler said:
But is it a really healthy thing being drip fed by an owner long term? I know we have had this conversation in the past, im not a huge fan of that model its had its success and spectacular failures. I dont think its healthy for the overall long term health of clubs. The approach that is facility, organic revenue growth led is the model i prefer like Arsenal and think is the model we should follow.

But i agree with you in the sense, for a takeover to have an "umph" in some ways you have to waste money in the transfer market to establish yourself. Look at Chelsea and City, comparatively they cant hold a candle to us traditionally. Yet they needed an outlay to establish themselves or rather make them marketable. They wasted loads on the Robinhos, Adebeyors, Santa Cruz's, Gullits, Vialli's etc. They did that for box office and over the space of five years became "established".

Its likely some balance between the two will need to be made and i think thats what we are trying to do - i think its a very delicate balance with many pit falls, but if its executed correctly as with Chelsea and City and if we can get the Arsenals model in place long term, i think its the correct pathway. Its mad to think of the wasted transfer money though to even put yourself on the map, i suppose that is why Walsh will be so key and maybe explains his recruitment.
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I don't see any spending or realistic plans to grow the club. The stadium remains a chimera. Yes, long term securitisation debt has been eliminated which would be an obstacle to moving to a new home, but we're miles off that and in the meantime I see nothing at all that gives me the belief Moshiri will generate commercial potential and hand it over to the manager for wages/fees.

For me, he really has got away with an easy ride up to this point. It's all words.
 

davek said:
I don't see any spending or realistic plans to grow the club. The stadium remains a chimera. Yes, long term securitisation debt has been eliminated which would be an obstacle to moving to a new home, but we're miles off that and in the meantime I see nothing at all that gives me the belief Moshiri will generate commercial potential and hand it over to the manager for wages/fees.

For me, he really has got away with an easy ride up to this point. It's all words.
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Well we know the impact that deal in praticular had over the years so that's in the win colum, if we take that the pay off was likely 30 mill - presuming penalty clause, that's signifacnt investment, if that sum had been spent gross in the transfer market the herd would be happier, but likely removing that millstone is of far more benifit for Everton long term then transfer funds. As you say it secures the freehold on Goodison and neutlises the restrictive elements of the securitisation deal (maybe we might even get the annex lol).

Whether you believe the land has been purchased for BM or not, is a debate no one can prove until it's announced, however I have a lot of respect for the lads that shared the info, certainly if it's true its a game changer and a huge indicator of intentions. But time will tell. Meis being in open dialouge with fans around it, is pretty incredible, but likely another indication.


If we had dropped the 30 mill on Sissoko on deadline day, would you be more of the opinion that Moishirs take over is positive?
 
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Neiler said:
Well we know the impact that deal in praticular had over the years so that's in the win colum, if we take that the pay off was likely 30 mill - presuming penalty clause, that's signifacnt investment, if that sum had been spent gross in the transfer market the herd would be happier, but likely removing that millstone is of far more benifit for Everton long term then transfer funds. As you say it secures the freehold on Goodison and neutlises the restrictive elements of the securitisation deal (maybe we might even get the annex lol).

Whether you believe the land has been purchased for BM or not, is a debate no one can prove until it's announced, however I have a lot of respect for the lads that shared the info, certainly if it's true its a game changer and a huge indicator of intentions. But time will tell. Meis being in open dialouge with fans around it, is pretty incredible, but likely another indication.


If we had dropped the 30 mill on Sissoko on deadline day, would you be more of the opinion that Moishirs take over is positive?
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Well, we dont know how that long term debt has been settled yet (or, more precisely, who it's been settled by), so we'll see if that does go into his win column in due course.

As for the stadium: photo opportunities and tweets from Joe Anderson dont really cut it, and Meis' involvement means nothing substantial other than he's been asked to maybe present a design - I remember when the Goodison For Everton group of fans who were in opposition to Johnson moving the club to Kirkby golf course hired Ward McHugh to produce a plan for redevelopment of Goodison (Ward McHugh had designed the redeveloped Twickenham at that time). The plans are still online, in fact: http://toffeeweb.com/club/goodison/gfe/
 
davek said:
Well, we dont know how that long term debt has been settled yet (or, more precisely, who it's been settled by), so we'll see if that does go into his win column in due course.

As for the stadium: photo opportunities and tweets from Joe Anderson dont really cut it, and Meis' involvement means nothing substantial other than he's been asked to maybe present a design - I remember when the Goodison For Everton group of fans who were in opposition to Johnson moving the club to Kirkby golf course hired Ward McHugh to produce a plan for redevelopment of Goodison (Ward McHugh had designed the redeveloped Twickenham at that time). The plans are still online, in fact: http://toffeeweb.com/club/goodison/gfe/
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How it has been repaid - don't know is the simple answer. JG Funding Ltd has 2 charges against PL core receipts, which may or may not mean that last seasons loan is still outstanding.
If paid off by BHHL, then until a share issue is done, it appears to be an unsecured loan to the club which may or may not attract interest.
 

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