Farhad Moshiri

[bullensboy]

You should have hit him with a paving slab, threw a cup of turd at him, then rocked the ambulance he was le......oh hang on.

and then robbed his ticket for the next game

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

SKY 'understands' the MOSH will be at the game SATURDAY.

Yissssss....

 

[davek]

I do still wonder about how this all came about in the first instance. I'm just shooting the breeze here and (admittedly) straddling the world between speculation and conspiracy, but it could be suggested that the Moshiri acquisition is just a by-product of the Arsenal power struggle. It's my suspicion that Moshiri's role in the Gunners was always as a proxy purchaser of shares on behalf of Usmanov (who, let's face it, is the ultimate source of whatever wealth our new man has). In short: I have an uneasy feeling the Everton shares have been purchased as leverage in Usmanov's ongoing struggle against Kroenke. In what way? He (Usmanov - and despite his 'in it for the long haul' statements re AFC) has a possible exit route from Arsenal if he chooses to take the rest of the Everton stake up and cut and run. That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so.

It is speculation, quite obviously, and EFC are hardly a club in any fit state right now to be a horse that Usmanov immediately jumps onto without massive infrastructural certainties over the stadium. But I worry that Moshiri's involvement is all enmeshed in that wider power struggle and that we might see inaction here because of it. The obvious lack of a stadium plan from what we gather from commentary so far and from Anderson is a concern that highlights this fear. I wouldn't be too certain that this is an orthodox takeover leading to a future in which we progress even incrementally.

 

[McBain]

I do still wonder about how this all came about in the first instance. I'm just shooting the breeze here and (admittedly) straddling the world between speculation and conspiracy, but it could be suggested that the Moshiri acquisition is just a by-product of the Arsenal power struggle. It's my suspicion that Moshiri's role in the Gunners was always as a proxy purchaser of shares on behalf of Usmanov (who, let's face it, is the ultimate source of whatever wealth our new man has). In short: I have an uneasy feeling the Everton shares have been purchased as leverage in Usmanov's ongoing struggle against Kroenke. In what way? He (Usmanov - and despite his 'in it for the long haul' statements re AFC) has a possible exit route from Arsenal if he chooses to take the rest of the Everton stake up and cut and run. That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, and that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so.

It is speculation, quite obviously, and EFC are hardly a club in any fit state right now to be a horse that Usmanov immediately jumps onto without massive infrastructural certainties over the stadium. But I worry that Moshiri's involvement is all enmeshed in that wider power struggle and that we might see inaction here because of it. The obvious lack of a stadium plan from what we gather from commentary so far and from Anderson is a concern that highlights this fear.

Hi Dave How are you today mate

 

[TheFinnFan]

I love the fact that he seems to be ambitious man. He has just left club that is best runned club in the PL. He clearly has a vision and he couldnt fullfill it at Arsenal.

 

[peteblue]

I do still wonder about how this all came about in the first instance. I'm just shooting the breeze here and (admittedly) straddling the world between speculation and conspiracy, but it could be suggested that the Moshiri acquisition is just a by-product of the Arsenal power struggle. It's my suspicion that Moshiri's role in the Gunners was always as a proxy purchaser of shares on behalf of Usmanov (who, let's face it, is the ultimate source of whatever wealth our new man has). In short: I have an uneasy feeling the Everton shares have been purchased as leverage in Usmanov's ongoing struggle against Kroenke. In what way? He (Usmanov - and despite his 'in it for the long haul' statements re AFC) has a possible exit route from Arsenal if he chooses to take the rest of the Everton stake up and cut and run. That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, and that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so.

It is speculation, quite obviously, and EFC are hardly a club in any fit state right now to be a horse that Usmanov immediately jumps onto without massive infrastructural certainties over the stadium. But I worry that Moshiri's involvement is all enmeshed in that wider power struggle and that we might see inaction here because of it. The obvious lack of a stadium plan from what we gather from commentary so far and from Anderson is a concern that highlights this fear.

I think there may be an element of substance in this thought but logically it only makes sense if massive investment is put into Everton, i.e. We will grow another Arsenal. Because Moshiri has bought us, even if Usmanov got full control of Arsenal it would still make sense to grow both clubs, if we assumed that they were working in tandem. As it stands and with the availability of a large investor, there is no down side to this. Investment will be rewarded and that's how these guys view it. It looks like we have an owner who knows how to make serious money and that EFC will be one of his vehicles to do so. Just enjoy the ride......

 

[bluestevon]

Surely he or a co-investor would prefer to buy as many shares as possible before making any major investments. A major investment now means that the other shareholders will have won the lottery (for investing nothing) and to then buy them out would cost far more, right? This is why I don't think anything major (like new stadium) will happen until he or a co-investor have acquired the whole club.

Always the possibility that an agreed price at a set period of time after has been agreed in the intial purchase of the 49.9% mate, at least with all the major shareholders who still hold shares and had been involved in negotiations and part sale of their shares already, at least thats what i assume a serious businessman would have agreed anyway

 

[bluestevon]

Surely he or a co-investor would prefer to buy as many shares as possible before making any major investments. A major investment now means that the other shareholders will have won the lottery (for investing nothing) and to then buy them out would cost far more, right? This is why I don't think anything major (like new stadium) will happen until he or a co-investor have acquired the whole club.

Always the possibility that an agreed price at a set period of time after has been agreed in the intial purchase of the 49.9% mate, at least with all the major shareholders who still hold shares and had been involved in negotiations and part sale of their shares already, at least thats what i assume a serious businessman would have agreed anyway

 

[billytoffee]

On her way out to work this morn the wife informed that I sat up in bed last night, slapped the bedside cabinet with quite substantial force and shouted, loudly, one word. So loudly was said word shouted that I'm also informed it woke one of the kids up, which seems to have in turn caused a bit of a t'do ergo - she's not happy...

Anyway, that word, she says, was 'RATIFIED....!!!!'

Then I lay back down, went back to kip it seems.

From this I conclude that I've spent WAY too much time perusing this forum over the last few days.

Everton though innits.

Good job your missus doesnt know there is a 21 year old eastern european hooker callled Ratified that hangs around by your place !!

 

[davek]

I think there may be an element of substance in this thought but logically it only makes sense if massive investment is put into Everton, i.e. We will grow another Arsenal. Because Moshiri has bought us, even if Usmanov got full control of Arsenal it would still make sense to grow both clubs, if we assumed that they were working in tandem. As it stands and with the availability of a large investor, there is no down side to this. Investment will be rewarded and that's how these guys view it. It looks like we have an owner who knows how to make serious money and that EFC will be one of his vehicles to do so. Just enjoy the ride......

I dont know about the last part pete. I think he knows how to protect cash that is created by others, not make it. That's his stock in trade. And let's face it, the Usmanov empire was bludgeoned out of the old Soviet Union's old Republics by war lords (old CP apparatchiks, yes, but war lords nevertheless in the aftermath of the Soviet Union's collapse) not created using brain power but by former KGB muscle.

You have to ask yourself how business savvy these people really can be.

 

[The Esk]

I think there may be an element of substance in this thought but logically it only makes sense if massive investment is put into Everton, i.e. We will grow another Arsenal. Because Moshiri has bought us, even if Usmanov got full control of Arsenal it would still make sense to grow both clubs, if we assumed that they were working in tandem. As it stands and with the availability of a large investor, there is no down side to this. Investment will be rewarded and that's how these guys view it. It looks like we have an owner who knows how to make serious money and that EFC will be one of his vehicles to do so. Just enjoy the ride......

There's no doubt that Usmanov and Moshiri have wished to increase their investment exposure to the Premier League for a long time

However they have to do that separately, as indeed they already do with other investments in common industries.

 

[mikewex]

...That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so....

There are no other Arsenal shareholders of any note I don't think. Believe Usmanov now holds 30.1% and Kroenke 67.something%. The extra holding doesn't really give Usmanov any more or less of a hold.

 

[blueblue]

I do still wonder about how this all came about in the first instance. I'm just shooting the breeze here and (admittedly) straddling the world between speculation and conspiracy, but it could be suggested that the Moshiri acquisition is just a by-product of the Arsenal power struggle. It's my suspicion that Moshiri's role in the Gunners was always as a proxy purchaser of shares on behalf of Usmanov (who, let's face it, is the ultimate source of whatever wealth our new man has). In short: I have an uneasy feeling the Everton shares have been purchased as leverage in Usmanov's ongoing struggle against Kroenke. In what way? He (Usmanov - and despite his 'in it for the long haul' statements re AFC) has a possible exit route from Arsenal if he chooses to take the rest of the Everton stake up and cut and run. That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so.

It is speculation, quite obviously, and EFC are hardly a club in any fit state right now to be a horse that Usmanov immediately jumps onto without massive infrastructural certainties over the stadium. But I worry that Moshiri's involvement is all enmeshed in that wider power struggle and that we might see inaction here because of it. The obvious lack of a stadium plan from what we gather from commentary so far and from Anderson is a concern that highlights this fear. I wouldn't be too certain that this is an orthodox takeover leading to a future in which we progress even incrementally.

Dave.
I would say that Moshiri jumping ship and leaving Arsenal for Everton has more to do with ambition and the huge money flowing into football than anything else.

At Arsenal he was the junior partner to Usanov and he in turn cannot get control of that club which is controlled by Kroenke, so Moshiri had an investment but had little or no control is how this investment was run.
At Everton he will be the main man, I have no doubt he will bring in other investors to share the cost and the risk and also hopefully the benefits.

Moshiri has obviously been ultra successful in his life and is backing himself that he can turn Everton into a hugely successful club again. If he can manage that the increase in value of the club from success on the field and increased commercial and TV revenues off it could give him a gain that would make the current value of the club at 200m look like petty cash.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

@The Esk do you think we should be looking at his portfolio for potential sponsorship deals moving forward? I know his involvement in MegaFon, and was joking about the MegaFon arena for a new stadium - but realistically what exposure would that give if its a Russian mobile carrier.

I understand his appointment must mean a massive improvement in commercial terms - sponsorship deals etc, just wondering if there might be any legs in his involvement with other elements of his portfolio. IE City and Etihad.

 

[Eggs]

I do still wonder about how this all came about in the first instance. I'm just shooting the breeze here and (admittedly) straddling the world between speculation and conspiracy, but it could be suggested that the Moshiri acquisition is just a by-product of the Arsenal power struggle. It's my suspicion that Moshiri's role in the Gunners was always as a proxy purchaser of shares on behalf of Usmanov (who, let's face it, is the ultimate source of whatever wealth our new man has). In short: I have an uneasy feeling the Everton shares have been purchased as leverage in Usmanov's ongoing struggle against Kroenke. In what way? He (Usmanov - and despite his 'in it for the long haul' statements re AFC) has a possible exit route from Arsenal if he chooses to take the rest of the Everton stake up and cut and run. That would have to be a major concern to other Arsenal shareholders who dont know what Kroenke's long term plans are for Arsenal - and his fortunes have been inextricably tied up with Wenger's stewardship of the club, that's hurtling toward a conclusion in the next 12 months or so.

It is speculation, quite obviously, and EFC are hardly a club in any fit state right now to be a horse that Usmanov immediately jumps onto without massive infrastructural certainties over the stadium. But I worry that Moshiri's involvement is all enmeshed in that wider power struggle and that we might see inaction here because of it. The obvious lack of a stadium plan from what we gather from commentary so far and from Anderson is a concern that highlights this fear. I wouldn't be too certain that this is an orthodox takeover leading to a future in which we progress even incrementally.

......the indications are that Moshiri was introduced to Everton and Kenwright via David Dein. I understand the conspiracy theories regarding Usmanov but perhaps Moshiri really liked the thought of being the custodian of EFC. Unless we are told otherwise I suggest we should all embrace the news.