Farhad Moshiri

[nsno-chris]

That was all before the new DOF was appointed DOF / Cahill got involved.

6 years later

But he’s learning

Jesus Christ

 

[Simon Buttle]

Tbf to Cahill he is heavily involved in business/sports in the Middle East / Qatar so he must have something about him.

It comes down to a similiar point many have made on just because a person may be an Alan Sugar in the business world doesn't mean they know much about football in general. So whilst Cahill may not be the wolf of wall street he could be more useful in football terms than some Chairman of some mega US bank who calls it soccer ball and doesn't know what an Everton is.

Big difference in that compared to PL level though.

Exactly!! that why you appoint specialists in the role and let them get on with the job, unlike Moshiri who appoints them then carries on doing his own thing anyway over the top of these people.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Why? It's a great time to buy a club, the value that stadium adds is big, it's a great time too buy but maybe to not sell.
However if we drop our value plummets, it's a big gamble, hopefully he sells and gets what he can while he has a PL side because championship teams don't go for much

It does but BMD isn't built for another 2-3 seasons which is why he would keep hold of us and try get us promoted. Newcastle fans thought going down would see Ashley off but it never as he kept hold of them until they went back up to sell at a profit and that would happen with Moshiri.

As I said, the grass isnt always greener - Sunderland fans chased Ellis Short out who was a similiar type of owner to Moshiri but the blokes who bought them are just as incompetent but they dont have the money Short did to invest in players / cover losses hence why they've been stuck in League One.

The more intellectual Evertonians would wait until BMD is built before hoping Moshiri sells as the price it would take to buy us would rule out most cowboy type buyers. If he sold for a pittance in the heat of panic thats when you can be snapped up by some bloke living in a Manchester bedsit which really would spell the end of us.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Big difference in that compared to PL level though.

Exactly!! that why you appoint specialists in the role and let them get on with the job, unlike Moshiri who appoints them then carries on doing his own thing anyway over the top of these people.

Which tbf to him he has done with Cahill mate, and this new DOF seems decent considering he was part of the RB franchise.

Just seems Moshiri is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some of our fans. He could very well take a backseat this summer, leave the DOF to get on with it whilst still backing the manager with funds and building the stadium which is what 99.9% fans have wanted from day one - but some are unwilling to wait and see if that happens as their agenda is now he's made mistakes so he needs to go and go NOW

 

[4737carlin]

Which tbf to him he has done with Cahill mate, and this new DOF seems decent considering he was part of the RB franchise.

Just seems Moshiri is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some of our fans. He could very well take a backseat this summer, leave the DOF to get on with it whilst still backing the manager with funds and building the stadium which is what 99.9% fans have wanted from day one - but some are unwilling to wait and see if that happens as their agenda is now he's made mistakes so he needs to go and go NOW

It's vital Moshiri goes now, we've seen enough to see he hasn't got a clue what he is doing, currently relegating us, it actually can't get worse

 

[bcblue1878]

Off the field he's improved the club - record sponsership deals, pushing ahead with a world class new stadium - the people in charge of those areas are Moshiri appointed people.

Ultimately its on the pitch matters that have been the problem and Kenwright as Chairman oversee's this department.

Moshers does NOT run the playing side/academy/fitness/recruitment departments.

Thats on Kenwrights watch and underneath him the DOF.

I’m far from Kenwright’s biggest fan but I think you give him far too much credit saying he oversees on the pitch stuff! These days Kenwright appears to be a glorified version of a stadium tour guide who gives the “history” talk to new players! To me what has been more worrying over the last few years is the influence on Moshiri of agents and in particular Joorabchian, these are the low life’s who seem to have Moshiri’s ear when it comes to football matters!
I’ve said it in another thread but if Kenwright thought he had any influence (which clearly he hasn’t) or principles whatsoever he’d have walked when Benitez was disastrously appointed!

 

[MikeH72]

6 years later

But he’s learning

Jesus Christ

The time for learning could’ve been the god knows how many years he was working at Arsenal. Honestly listening to our fans you’d think he’d never been involved in football before he took over here.

 

[Leylo]

I’m far from Kenwright’s biggest fan but I think you give him far too much credit saying he oversees on the pitch stuff! These days Kenwright appears to be a glorified version of a stadium tour guide who gives the “history” talk to new players! To me what has been more worrying over the last few years is the influence on Moshiri of agents and in particular Joorabchian, these are the low life’s who seem to have Moshiri’s ear when it comes to football matters!
I’ve said it in another thread but if Kenwright thought he had any influence (which clearly he hasn’t) or principles whatsoever he’d have walked when Benitez was disastrously appointed!

Should have walked anyway when that rat was appointed manager.



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[4737carlin]

I’m far from Kenwright’s biggest fan but I think you give him far too much credit saying he oversees on the pitch stuff! These days Kenwright appears to be a glorified version of a stadium tour guide who gives the “history” talk to new players! To me what has been more worrying over the last few years is the influence on Moshiri of agents and in particular Joorabchian, these are the low life’s who seem to have Moshiri’s ear when it comes to football matters!
I’ve said it in another thread but if Kenwright thought he had any influence (which clearly he hasn’t) or principles whatsoever he’d have walked when Benitez was disastrously appointed!

This is true, Joorabchian and the Iwobi deal for one , on that day Arsenal sold two players and bought two, Alex was one piece in the jigsaw, Kia was all over them, basically moving Farhads money to and out of Arsenal, giving it a wash and taking the cream off the top.
When you look at what we have spent then look at the squad you can't see we're the money is, it's a disgrace

 

[bcblue1878]

Moshiri isnt a football man - do you think he knows how good a player is?

No but Kenwright does.

So maybe blame the Chairman who could have actually done his job and said "erghh yano lads maybe signing Bolasie isn't a good idea yano".

Thats literally his job as chairman!

1. Again you give him far too much credit!

2. If he’d actually done his job he’d actually have said “erghh Yano lads maybe appointing Benitez isn’t a good idea yano”!

 

[gazzaa2]

Wolves have won nothing and finished 7th twice.

West Ham finished 6th last season and look to have gone slightly backwards this season as will probably finish 7th/8th. If they dont win the Europa League its been a poor season ultimately.

Yes both teams have had decent seasons but so have we - we finished 7th under Koeman and 8th under Silva.

As I said every team outside of top 6 have good and bad periods / cluster of seasons.

If you cant see that then there is no point debating further as we finished regularly top 6 under Moyes yet still demanded Kenwright went.

Evertonians are not happy with the odd 7th place finish here and there. They are now based on this season but if this season never happened fans were dissapointed with **only** finishing 10th last season.

If your 2nd at Christmas and in the European places the whole season near enough, who would be happy with 10th?

 

[Inchy226]

Having a plan is the very first thing that should be done. It should be done long before making any staff appointments or any player signings or doing anything else for that matter. It's not about competing for trophies for us, we are miles away from that and any fan that finds that an issue needs to wake up and smell the coffee imo. We need to just concentrate on building a competitive team and squad that compliment each other and are comfortable playing together and actually want to play for the club. When we have this we can finally push on and start looking at moving up the league and competing for cups and European places. Too many of our fans are looking at stuff with blue tinted spectacles on imo.
As for which other clubs have achieved, well Wolves did pretty well under Nuno and now Bruno, they clearly have a focus on younger players, one of the best youth setups (which helps) and they tend to recruit a lot of Portuguese players. It got them promoted, they have finished mostly top half and qualified for Europe. Moyes clearly has a progressive plan going on at West Ham as they are slowly improving more and more. Its not always about winning stuff.

Everything in football is about recruitment and attracting the right people to progress the club. The ownership at Everton have failed miserably at that and have no clear idea of what they want. Instead, they think they can just throw money at the problem and it will solve everything. Sometimes in life, that works but it rarely ever works in football.

Even Man City, who have thrown money at it, have had a clear plan of attracting the best manager who has a vision of how he wants to develop the club. You talked about Wolves and the remarkable thing about Nuno was that he implemented his plan and playing style in 60 days when he took over there. West Ham are an interesting case as I'd hardly call the owners there football wise but perhaps they've finally learned their lesson of interfering with the work of the manager /head coach?
I have zero confidence in our owners. They have consistently recruited the wrong manager and the only one they did well to get, left in record time for a better job. Lampard isn't the right choice for coaching in the Prem but perhaps he will prosper in a lower division.

 

[nsno-chris]

The time for learning could’ve been the god knows how many years he was working at Arsenal. Honestly listening to our fans you’d think he’d never been involved in football before he took over here.

I don’t think he actually likes or understands football. He’s just bought us because it’s a “rich” thing to do, hence is constant meddling because it’s his new toy

 

[MikeH72]

I don’t think he actually likes or understands football. He’s just bought us because it’s a “rich” thing to do, hence is constant meddling because it’s his new toy

He deffo doesn’t. That clip where he’s fallen asleep at the game and gets woken up by the full time whistle going and Kenwright screaming down his ear gave me the fear early on.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It's vital Moshiri goes now, we've seen enough to see he hasn't got a clue what he is doing, currently relegating us, it actually can't get worse

It can though! Research Sunderland, Research MADROX (their owners) a bunch of chancers. Look at Burnley in loads of debt already and no better off, look at Bury, Blackpool, Blackburn, Derby, Oldham, Portsmouth.

It could very well get worse. There is zero guarantee that the next owner is going to be a success they could be no better than Moshiri or worse than him and also not have the funds to keep us afloat should they be no better.

Calm heads Must prevail.