Financial Fair Play investigation

[Royal]

Couldn’t give a fat one. I prefer the blue team in Birmingham anyways. We had a sound ex Zulu Warrior poster on here once. Proper good guy and proper team mush.

I like Birmingham as well, I don't feel the need to pick a side in any derby but ours.

And the north east thing to a degree because the Geordies do my head in

 

[Narntwinnysivven]

I mean a company and an individual are completely different entities.

But yes, on my PAYE that I pay, if HMRC tried to pull me up on something from years ago, I would challenge it in court, as it is their responsibility to check it. I cant think of a single example, where years after the event someone has been charged over PAYE.

It's also worth noting, that the government, a legal body, is wholly different to the PL, so the comparison doesnt work.

It is like a private auditor, you give them the information, and they allow to keep practicing. If they have an issue, it is their job to highlight that at the time. If they dont, your version of events has been accepted.

The idea that all clubs are in perpetual purgatory, whereby the league will not challenge their findings, but also dont agree them is completely unworkable. How could any business plan with forward projections if they dont know if their figures have been accepted?

If your employer underpays your tax HMRC come right back to you for it. Other than rare instances like that, there wouldn’t be much scope for HMRC to audit you via PAYE unless you were claiming additional out of office expenses, which if they looked dodgy would have you having to account for.

 

[Damo_1878]

...go on....

It's literally in the Premier League rulebook

 

[davek]

It's literally in the Premier League rulebook

What is? Are you saying there's scope beyond an appeal back to the commission if penalised? Legal avenues to pursue?

 

[Villa_Fan]

TBH, I'm just not seeing a ponts deduction scenario.

It's obviously an option the commission has, it just seems like a very slippery slope to go down for the PL over an issue like profit and sustainability.

I believe a points deduction is about the most severe penalty other than expulsion from the league. To get the most severe punishment the offense must be of the most severe nature and this usually means persistent breaking of the rules after the PL has told the club to reign in the spending. Selling Richy and Gorden and only spending about 3m in the previous summer's transfer window are not the actions of a club giving the two fingers to the PL. It shows the club is trying to work to fix the financial problems. Furthermore, it is not difficult to justify the spend in the last two windows as absolutely necessary to try and retain PL status.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I think a points deduction is highly unlikely, I expect, if found guilty, the penalty will be a transfer ban or embargo or a European football ban

Seems very soft when set against EFL sanctioning guidelines for the same rules?

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I believe a points deduction is about the most severe penalty other than expulsion from the league. To get the most severe punishment the offense must be of the most severe nature and this usually means persistent breaking of the rules after the PL has told the club to reign in the spending. Selling Richy and Gorden and only spending about 3m in the previous summer's transfer window are not the actions of a club giving the two fingers to the PL. It shows the club is trying to work to fix the financial problems. Furthermore, it is not difficult to justify the spend in the last two windows as absolutely necessary to try and retain PL status.

Birmingham, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday all docked points for failing it once, all manded themselves in it.Your neighbours overspend by £9-10m in 3 seasons and the League were furious.

 

[Villa_Fan]

Ordinarily I'd agree completely. I just have a nagging doubt that the threat of external oversight of league affairs may bring it onto the table.

I think most other PL clubs would look sympathetically at Everton. Its not like you're trying to cheat like City, and the bottom line is money counts for everything. The PL is a better league having Everton in it rather than any of the teams coming up from the Championship. There is more money in it for clubs having a game against Everton as opposed to a game against Burnely, Sheff Utd or Boro

 

[degsy]

But it doesnt matter what a Burnley fan thinks. We have allegedly broken the rules, by amending a negative 35m. I dont see how that is cheating.

If I was a Burnley fan, and being objective, I would want the rules to be enforced consistently, and if there was a problem, for the regulator to highlight it in a timely manner. As they havent, that moment has now passed.

I'd be pretty ashamed to be trying to use courts to overturn the meritocracy of what has happened on the pitch.

Yep that would be being seriously sad...not that that ever stopped people.

I know it sounds a bit Ludlum-esque, but I really think The Premier League are giving us the arl 'Voltaire Deterrent' - Pour encourager les autres / In order to encourage the others - said ironically of an action (such as an execution) carried out as a warning to others

Look at us self regulating, actually doing something.

 

[davek]

I believe a points deduction is about the most severe penalty other than expulsion from the league. To get the most severe punishment the offense must be of the most severe nature and this usually means persistent breaking of the rules after the PL has told the club to reign in the spending. Selling Richy and Gorden and only spending about 3m in the previous summer's transfer window are not the actions of a club giving the two fingers to the PL. It shows the club is trying to work to fix the financial problems. Furthermore, it is not difficult to justify the spend in the last two windows as absolutely necessary to try and retain PL status.

Keep posting mate, you're more comfort than some Everton fans on here.


As I said above though: the need to be seen to crack the whip on self-policing might cut across all that.

 

[davek]

I think most other PL clubs would look sympathetically at Everton. Its not like you're trying to cheat like City, and the bottom line is money counts for everything. The PL is a better league having Everton in it rather than any of the teams coming up from the Championship. There is more money in it for clubs having a game against Everton as opposed to a game against Burnely, Sheff Utd or Boro

I'm also comforting / kidding myself that the PL will want a club with a brand spanking new state of the art stadium in their league adding more prestige to their 'product'.

 

[Villa_Fan]

FYI, Conte sacked by Spurs

 

[Bob Elstone]

Is bill and Denise still employed?

 

[Villa_Fan]

I'm also comforting / kidding myself that the PL will want a club with a brand spanking new state of the art stadium in their league adding more prestige to their 'product'.

Of course they do, it is not kidding yoursel. The PL wants to have the strongest 20 teams possible in the league. This is what generates the most cash for the PL

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

I think most other PL clubs would look sympathetically at Everton. Its not like you're trying to cheat like City, and the bottom line is money counts for everything. The PL is a better league having Everton in it rather than any of the teams coming up from the Championship. There is more money in it for clubs having a game against Everton as opposed to a game against Burnely, Sheff Utd or Boro

My personal view is that any overspend no matter the club or circs should be a points deduction.

Then it's a matter of size of breach, circs leading into it, mitigating and aggravating etc.