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Financial Fair Play investigation

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Are the Kean and Gordon transfer monies included in that ?

They go into year 3 mate.

Im not hopeful of their fees about £67 mill make a difference. We sold Richarlision and Digne for the same money give or take and still made a loss of £40 odd million.

There fees just reduce our losses i dont think they put us in a position of profit or increased spending mate.

Like i said above we are selling our best players to pay the wages of our bad players - thats where the Gordon and Kean fees will go.
 
Obviously getting the Mina off the books in the summer will make a difference to our outgoings next year, but is our squad after that really getting paid much more than our competitors? we haven't got a massive squad compared to some teams, Surely the most obvious thing is we need to increase incoming funds? This is where the board have repeatedly failed IMO, at no point has EFC under Kenwright's leadership ever signed a deal equivalent to our strength as a brand. We constantly undersell ourselves.
 
I feel the game and the financial models around are in a great degree of flux mate and i think rules and regulators are just bewildered and confused in terms of what to do. The game has changed radically in 10 years in terms of models.

Traditionally, the only way to run a football club in the main was create revenue and invest it, the more you create the better you are, the gap was small amongst clubs and still required skill as opposed to gazumpoing. Utd, Juve, Real, Barca, Bayern all had the leg up here. Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Spurs and Mordor had it domestically.

The advent of Abramovich, to City and now Newcastle - that will be followed by Mordor and Utd - sees a different kind of wealth we are talking sovereign wealth funds with more then the GDP of counties at their disposal money become irrelevant.

The intention of Fifa, Uefa, PL EFL etc - is to make the game both sustainable and competitive - hence FFP/PSS. But waht is actually playing out in Europe and to an extent domestically is civil war and the powers at be dont know what to do.

Utd, Juve, Real, Barca, Bayern without sovereign wealth - want either a Super League, or strict cot controls as they cant keep up. City, PSG, Newcastle and soon a few others will want the brake taken off as its restrictive to them building and raising their profile. Fifa, Uefa, PL, EFL etc have to balance those two opposing forces very carefully - the issues a break way, clubs going insolvent trying to keep up or sovereign wealth funds absolutely mullering football through getting money into their clubs - that the power that be dont have the infrastructure to assess or stop all the while getting pressure at both points. Its an arms race and you are either on the side of chasing insolvency to keep up or pushing the boundary on what you can spend to push the ceiling higher and leave your rival behind. Something will give.

In our case, i see us as having a wealthy owner - who is remarkable for his investment - i dont think the investment comes from him -its over £850 mill - but that a different point - we have access. We spent that access stupidly and managed and continued to manage stupidity, like a rich mans plaything which is prob what we are. We are utterly dependent on that investment though, with no guarantees. That dependency leaves us at huge risk, as ive been saying for a while and its highlighted in the accounts yesterday - if we go down - we are in massive trouble - we arent coming back up for a while in my opinion - the EFL would nail us.

Ous issue is the P/S rules, growth helps that and that the point really, if it wasnt for the rules i think wed be deeper into this and wouldn't be bothered to much by loss - if my ownership theroy is correct. I think its going to be rules that scupper us as opposed to access to finance, just based on the scale of investment that been put in so far and again this year - seems like a never ending pot - its quite staggering. So are we part of City's, PSG and Newcastles - relying on owners or Utd's, Real and Barca and Bayerns relying on revenue - prob the former unless Moshiri pulls up the ladder.

The sad part is though, that football should be decided on the pitch. Not by competing interpretations of accountants, lawyers, adminstrators, courts etc to dictate who does or doesn't survive. That is not what any football fan should want.
 
They go into year 3 mate.

Im not hopeful of their fees about £67 mill make a difference. We sold Richarlision and Digne for the same money give or take and still made a loss of £40 odd million.

There fees just reduce our losses i dont think they put us in a position of profit or increased spending mate.

Like i said above we are selling our best players to pay the wages of our bad players - thats where the Gordon and Kean fees will go.

It would be far bigger pure profit though, as their costs are lower.
Apparently we are back into profit this year. I have that on reasonable authority.
 

The sad part is though, that football should be decided on the pitch. Not by competing interpretations of accountants, lawyers, adminstrators, courts etc to dictate who does or doesn't survive. That is not what any football fan should want.

I think its lost a generation of fans to be honest - less so anyone born in the PL advent, as they dont remember what it was like before - money always dictated outcomes to an extent but not as much as it does across football and even in governance as it does today.

Personally im just parochial now, Everton and that it and i still enjoy us for all our good and ills.

Champions League, not so much - i enjoy watching players but i put very little weight on a clubs achievement, international football is corrupt i gave up on it long ago competitively - though i enjoy watching players, less so the competitive aspect, City and Chelsea to me are an irrelevance - they arent clubs in my opinion, not in the way they were - they dont have an identity and i dont put any weight on their achievements.

I think Arsenal winning the league this year is worth more then City winning it 5 times, Leicester more then City winning it 100 times.

Things move on and change and you have to accept it and adjust, but the game has lost some of its lustre for me personally and I've narrowed my scope on what i enjoy in the game - i dont really think it is competitive any more as the gaps in equality and starting from the same position have just gotten wider and wider. If anything kills the game it might be that and losing its market.

Would i want Everton to go the way of City, in all honesty it would relieve the stress for a year or two - but i honestly dont think i would want us to be like them, City aren't City anymore if you know what i mean, - id hate that to happen to us, so i prob wouldn't want us to go the way of City. I haven't really enjoyed having and spending money, as much as i thought i would - when we had it - i much preferred buying the likes of Cahill and Arteta etc and building a team.
 
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Sorry I think you are mixing up tribunals and Courts of Law. Even then many courts don’t hand out punishment they hand out rulings.

The PL process is now in full swing Everton will possibly want to take advantage of every opportunity the process affords but once the tribunal sits the opportunity to take the matters to a Court of Law are limited and their arguments would have to be on a point of law

Professional bodies such as the BMA such as the Law Society have their own regulatory bodies where the members of tribunals are appointed by the organisation.

👏 he'll just try to ignore you though mate.
 

City argued ( unsuccessfully) in the HC that the PLs arbitration panel wasn’t competent of carrying out arbitration and that irrespective it would show bias. Quite simply they, City, had their backsides kicked.

Of course Everton could try the same route and make the same arguments but it’s highly unlikely that the Courts would rule in Everton’s favour that is if it even got to a hearing. If Everton went down this route it’s probable that other charges will follow as such tactics would almost certainly be viewed as not acting in good faith.

You really need to park the City charges because theirs is a far more complex matter in that many of the charges are far more complex and are hugely subjective. Everton’s charge will be based purely on the numbers presented. Ok there will no doubt be debate around COVID losses but the numbers presented by other clubs will have or will aid the tribunal or come to a view or maybe their is agreement between the PL and Everton over such matters.

Everton are one of the 21 shareholders (20 clubs + the FA) all have signed up to the regulatory process just as all members of the FA have, the EFL clubs have, The NL have, The Rugby Union have , The Rugby league Cricket etc etc have signed up to their governing body processes . No club participating, no individual player is forced into membership and had Everton, City or indeed any club had concerns around the whole process then the time to advocate change isn’t when you are charged.

This is the very point some aren't grasping

Why would you try to sue without cause?

All you will do is lose and cost Everton a phenomenal amount of money. Wasted. Again.
 

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