Financial Fair Play investigation

[LocalNative]

Kieran Maguire. That feller has way too much to say for himself for my liking. That's the sound of a feller who likes the sound of his own voice and seems to be basking in a bit of publicity he's managed to drum up around this Everton referal.

Alarm bells started to ring on him when he got involved on TalkSport prognosticating on what punishment Everton would get when asked by Jim White. Now any professional and cautious man would have straight batted that hack question all day. But he decided he'd be railroaded into a response of the sensational variety to please the host and his listeners.

Any authourity that feller laid claim to went out the window at that moment. And now he's continuing to try and make a name for himself by revealing private conversations he had with Everton so he can boost some poxy podcast...all the while saying he has 'nothing against Everton and I want the best for them'.

That's an utter spanner right there. Take no notice to what that self-promoting idiot has to say.

And WTF is PED giving the oxygen of publicity to him and his dodgy views for...and then backing him up?

Un'kinreal some people. Talk about not being able to read the room...which underlines for me that some Evertonians cant see the wood for the trees anymore on this.

You're wrong on this one mate. He knows his stuff and clearly has connections close to the ground on this.

Very pie in the sky to assume he's making it all up purely for self-publicity - he doesn't need to do that, he's already regarded as a football finance expert featuring in countless publications, with a very successful podcast to boot.

It rings true and it's also something Carragher said happened him when he criticised us as the worst run club in the league. The propaganda machine enforced by Prentice is in full operation.

Playing down these accusations is helping do the club's job of sliding it up the carpet. We need more to speak up.

 

[Walken]

A bit of messenger shooting going on , I see.

A bit of rainmaker shooting more like

 

[davek]

You're wrong on this one mate. He knows his stuff and clearly has connections close to the ground on this.

Very pie in the sky to assume he's making it all up purely for self-publicity - he doesn't need to do that, he's already regarded as a football finance expert.

It rings true and it's also something Carragher said happened him when he criticised us as the worst run club in the league. The propaganda machine enforced by Prentice is in full operation.

He's an acadmic. That gives him the right - if he's a specialist - to speculate on why Everton got in a position where we are referred to a commission, but not much more besides that.

If you think it's his job to pass into the public domain conversations he's had with a private organisation then you really are swigging from the same Kool Aid bottle as all those others who thinks it's great timing to attack this club.

Maguire has strayed well beyond what's consdered professional. That is abundantly clear. He should have any connections with the University of Liverpool severed.

What's prompting that feller to do what he's doing is that he's being given succour by sections of our support - massively UNREPRESENTATIVE sections of our support, btw - who seem to want to hand the PL and their commission ammunition to punish us. Incredibly we have a situation whre Maguire is aided by those people and probably consults with them. An unholy alliance to bring this club down by punishment.

 

[Blue peter]

Kieran Maguire. That feller has way too much to say for himself for my liking. That's the sound of a feller who likes the sound of his own voice and seems to be basking in a bit of publicity he's managed to drum up around this Everton referal.

Alarm bells started to ring on him when he got involved on TalkSport prognosticating on what punishment Everton would get when asked by Jim White. Now any professional and cautious man would have straight batted that hack question all day. But he decided he'd be railroaded into a response of the sensational variety to please the host and his listeners.

Any authourity that feller laid claim to went out the window at that moment. And now he's continuing to try and make a name for himself by revealing private conversations he had with Everton so he can boost some poxy podcast...all the while saying he has 'nothing against Everton and I want the best for them'.

That's an utter spanner right there. Take no notice to what that self-promoting idiot has to say.

And WTF is PED giving the oxygen of publicity to him and his dodgy views for...and then backing him up?

Un'kinreal some people. Talk about not being able to read the room...which underlines for me that some Evertonians cant see the wood for the trees anymore on this.

I agree with that part…..we’re being tried and convicted in the court of popular social media opinion by some of our very own treacherous ‘supporters‘ in order to make them feel important at at time when the political world is focusing on governance. Disgraceful really…..people need to keep quiet and let due process take effect and give the club the chance to defend itself

 

[LocalNative]

He's an acadmic. That gives him the right - if he's a specialist - to speculate on why Everton got in a position where we are referred to a commission, but not much more besides that.

If you think it's his job to pass into the public domain conversations he's had with a private organisation then you really are swigging from the same Kool Aid bottle as all those others who thinks it's great timing to attack this club.

Maguire hgas strayed well beyond what's consdered professional. That is abundantly clear. He should have any connections with the University of Liverpool severed.

What's prompting that feller to do what he's doing is that he's being given succour by sections of our support - massively UNREPRESENTATIVE sections of our support, btw - who seem to want to hand the PL and their commission ammunition to punish us.

If it was pure bollocks the club would sue him for defamation.

Whether you like it or not, he's reporting what's going on in terms of how HE has interpreted things and the club are getting pissy because it's not towing the party line.

The club is toxic, I have absolutely no issues with anyone reporting that or elevating it. It won't affect what's going on on the pitch, we've seen that during the fan protests and even after the news of the FFP investigation.

 

[davek]

I agree with that part…..we’re being tried and convicted in the court of popular social media opinion by some of our very own treacherous ‘supporters‘ in order to make them feel important at at time when the political world is focusing on governance. Disgraceful really…..people need to keep quiet and let due process take effect and give the club the chance to defend itself

Exactly right mate.

Sick of this 'kin humbug about Everton's calculations on FFP....especially when in wider society it is a perfectly acceptable defence to state that the nation;s economy has been pulled through a hedge backwards by the Ukraine War and effects of the pandemic but we cant have that as a defence becauae...well...some divvies are that borderline psychotic about getting a zombie board of directors officially out that they're willing to talk up the words of a detractor who's betrayed the confidence of their own club.

 

[davek]

If it was pure bollocks the club would sue him for defamation.

Whether you like it or not, he's reporting what's going on in terms of how HE has interpreted things and the club are getting pissy because it's not towing the party line.

The club is toxic, I have absolutely no issues with anyone reporting that or elevating it. It won't affect what's going on on the pitch, we've seen that during the fan protests and even after the news of the FFP investigation.

No they wouldn't. They want to keep a lid on this not make that tool a cause celebre.

And he's not 'interpreting' things. If he were then there'd be no issue. What he;s done is to get involved and become part of the story - which for any academic is career suicide...and it should be for him.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

A bit of rainmaker shooting more like

Our club is already trying to shelter from a monsoon beneath a broken umbrella so a bit of added drizzle is of no real concern.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

He's an acadmic. That gives him the right - if he's a specialist - to speculate on why Everton got in a position where we are referred to a commission, but not much more besides that.

If you think it's his job to pass into the public domain conversations he's had with a private organisation then you really are swigging from the same Kool Aid bottle as all those others who thinks it's great timing to attack this club.

Maguire has strayed well beyond what's consdered professional. That is abundantly clear. He should have any connections with the University of Liverpool severed.

What's prompting that feller to do what he's doing is that he's being given succour by sections of our support - massively UNREPRESENTATIVE sections of our support, btw - who seem to want to hand the PL and their commission ammunition to punish us. Incredibly we have a situation whre Maguire is aided by those people and probably consults with them. An unholy alliance to bring this club down by punishment.

Everton will be judged on the facts as they exist and not on the opinions of observers aired on here or anywhere else.
As you well know.

 

[Drico]

#Witsel is ours

Buy your Mata shirts

Well, he gets beaten up for those, but his dogmatic ridiculing of the notion of Kroenke buying Usmanov's Arsenal shares was the mistake that made him a really poor observer for me.

I like the Esk. He's clearly a genuine fan and makes some very cogent points. I enjoy some of his podcasts, if only for the sense of slow, creeping exasperated despair that they convey. However, I find him slightly naive when it comes to some people's intentions and he becomes rather pious about things at times if the "numbers" don't really match up to some of the informed whispers out there about people's machinations.

He's insightful on the bald finances of a club's accounts. Beyond that, he's just an amiable fan with a good line in multiple podcasts which are, essentially, identical. I mean, what's the difference between The Results Business and Everton Business Matters? The absence of John Blain? Did they fall out? And is Talking the Blues really significantly different to those? I call them EBC 1, EBC 2, and EBC 3: the Esk Broadcasting Corporation.

 

[Walken]

Our club is already trying to shelter from a monsoon beneath a broken umbrella so a bit of added drizzle is of no real concern.

No one with any sanity would allow anything our board does to do pass without compete suspicion. But there is no precedent or real info, the 'experts' are guessing at the outcome and will later hope to claim that guess work was foresight, pack of rainmakers pushing their profiles for podcasts and media

 

[Paul Rideout]

Well, he gets beaten up for those, but his dogmatic ridiculing of the notion of Kroenke buying Usmanov's Arsenal shares was the mistake that made him a really poor observer for me.

I like the Esk. He's clearly a genuine fan and makes some very cogent points. I enjoy some of his podcasts, if only for the sense of slow, creeping exasperated despair that they convey. However, I find him slightly naive when it comes to some people's intentions and he becomes rather pious about things at times if the "numbers" don't really match up to some of the informed whispers out there about people's machinations.

He's insightful on the bald finances of a club's accounts. Beyond that, he's just an amiable fan with a good line in multiple podcasts which are, essentially, identical. I mean, what's the difference between The Results Business and Everton Business Matters? The absence of John Blain? Did they fall out? And is Talking the Blues really significantly different to those? I call them EBC 1, EBC 2, and EBC 3: the Esk Broadcasting Corporation.

I like John Blain.

 

[Drico]

Everton will be judged on the facts as they exist and not on the opinions of observers aired on here or anywhere else.

I'd like to agree, but with football finance regulations, it's as much about expedience as fact. It was a fact - clear to the dogs on the street - that the Saudi Arabian dictatorship was buying Newcastle United. But Boris Johnson himself was keen to push that deal for his own nefarious reasons, so human rights abusers were allowed to take over that club despite the "facts".

If it is convenient to the powers-that-be to scapegoat Everton, that will be done. In all of this, I have learned to separate fairness and fact on one side from expedience and politics on the other. Have we broken the FFP rules? I suspect we are certainly in very choppy waters with our accounting. But the question then is: are these rules fair, justified, and transparent, or are they imposed on clubs like us for mendacious reasons while the British government itself welcomes a takeover by Mohammed Bin Salman? Is the "crime" that these FFP rules are ostensibly designed to prevent more heinous than six of our clubs, essentially, conspiring to destroy the Premier League and open competition?

So, whatever about our, no doubt, tremendously creative accounting, I smell an expedient, mendacious sham. Our board is incompetent and nefarious, but I will not throw stones as an Evertonian outside this kangaroo court.

 

[Tom Hughes]

The club have attempted to stifle this fella from telling the truth and some people seem to want to back them for it. You're essentially shooting the messenger. It's no journalist's or any other commentator's fault that the club is a complete basketcase. It's there for all to see. A carcrash set of accounts, Still no AGMs, No board members attending FAB meeting, FFP, independent commisions.... and 20+ years of form of this chairman. The club is hanging by a thread and some people are more concerned about people mentioning it.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

No one with any sanity would allow anything our board does to do pass without compete suspicion. But there is no precedent or real info, the 'experts' are guessing at the outcome and will later hope to claim that guess work was foresight, pack of rainmakers pushing their profiles for podcasts and media

It is still better to disagree with the opinion rather than to first discredit the author
Trying to suppress any negative opinion and therefore any discussion on the problems we now face is actually slightly sinister.
Whatever opinion we write or read on here or elsewhere will have absolutely no bearing on the inquiry Everton face.