Financial Fair Play investigation

[Damo_1878]

Everyone is to blame but Moshiri runs the ship. Buck stops at him. Having said that Kenwright and DBB are dreadful and have completely soured my respect for these “humanitarian” types running the club.

Even if they are genuine they obviously aren’t competent on the business side of things and have played a massive part in running the club into the ground. Boos all around

These "humanitarian" types cynically use that to deflect from their poor mismanagement.

Mike Lyons visited Goodison Park this week.

"The Chairman" was at pains to try and get his name mentioned at every opportunity with it. This is how Bill Kenwright buys influence in and around the club.

The fact people can't see through it and what he does, shows how he's managed to pull the wool over people's eyes for so long

No one holds him or Baxendale to account for their actions and performance. Because of an irrelevant independent charity that does not get money into Everton Football Club. That they push forward because it benefits them. They've done it for years. Its cynical and they do it because people fall for it.

 

[MikeH72]

These "humanitarian" types cynically use that to deflect from their poor mismanagement.

Mike Lyons visited Goodison Park this week.

"The Chairman" was at pains to try and get his name mentioned at every opportunity with it. This is how Bill Kenwright buys influence in and around the club.

The fact people can't see through it and what he does, shows how he's managed to pull the wool over people's eyes for so long

No one holds him or Baxendale to account for their actions and performance. Because of an irrelevant independent charity that does not get money into Everton Football Club. That they push forward because it benefits them. They've done it for years. Its cynical and they do it because people fall for it.

You know who should be holding them accountable for this and actually has the power to do something about it? The owner.

 

[Damo_1878]

How does writing about Everton’s finances help Everton’s cause in defending an allegation from the PL?

Thats not the author's job or role.

That is Everton Football Club's lawyers job and role.

That is also the responsibility of Bill Kenwright and Denise Barrett Baxendale. The persons who have been running the club during the entirity of PL P&S and telling us all what a great job they were doing. Whilst the club's had two relegation fights in two years and now a referral to an independent commission!

 

[davek]

What has he said that is inaccurate?

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

This employee of Liverpool University is placing in the public domain his private conversations with Everton FC officials.

I'd really love to know what his employers think of this.

I tell you one thing, he's lucky he didn't try this 'kin rubbish on with Liverpool FC or he'd have had to go into hiding by now with a new identity.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

These "humanitarian" types cynically use that to deflect from their poor mismanagement.

Mike Lyons visited Goodison Park this week.

"The Chairman" was at pains to try and get his name mentioned at every opportunity with it. This is how Bill Kenwright buys influence in and around the club.

The fact people can't see through it and what he does, shows how he's managed to pull the wool over people's eyes for so long

No one holds him or Baxendale to account for their actions and performance. Because of an irrelevant independent charity that does not get money into Everton Football Club. That they push forward because it benefits them. They've done it for years. Its cynical and they do it because people fall for it.

I hate to admit it but I’ve found this to be true more often than not. They are showmen/women that play to the emotions of the people without adding anything substantial to the organization they run. It almost never ends well

 

[Damo_1878]

I hate to admit it but I’ve found this to be true more often than not. They are showmen/women that play to the emotions of the people without adding anything substantial to the organization they run. It almost never ends well

Exactly!

Why is it that the club's social media feeds are rampant with comments from fans when a BMD stadium truss has been put up? Asking where the bad news is?

Or when they put another tear jerker video out ... when they want to bury bad news?

Its because Bill Kenwright and Denise Barrett Baxendale and their people in the media and communications teams do do that.

They've done it for years and years. Its the sort of behaviours they do.

Unfortunately people have fallen for the lies and the deceptions and distractions.

 

[Blue peter]

So if you delve into the numbers you're saying its unEvertonian?

I don't agree. Censorship has no place at Everton any longer. Bill Kenwright has tried that. He's tried treating us all like idiots. He has lied to people many many times.

No longer.

The investigation and independent commission will find what it finds based on the accounts and the evidence. The idea that some articles writing about the evidence of how terribly ran the club is, due to Bill Kenwright and Denise Barrett Baxendale has no impact on that. As "Chairman Bill" said in the AGM 2021, "quality speaks for itself. It is what it is"

If you're worried about that blame the cause, not those writing about it. Or trying to censor them.

No and no. Let’s agree to disagree

 

[Damo_1878]

No and no. Let’s agree to disagree

No. Because there is no way I will agree to more censorship at Everton

People need a healthy dose of the truth

Not sugar coated lies and fantasy from "Chairman Bill" and Denise Barrett Baxendale.

With their proxies telling people to "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" when they give that truth

Example. Melanie Prentice.

People need the truth.

 

[Blue peter]

No. Because there is no way I will agree to more censorship at Everton

People need a healthy dose of the truth

Not sugar coated lies and fantasy from "Chairman Bill" and Denise Barrett Baxendale.

With their proxies telling people to "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" when they give that truth

Example. Melanie Prentice.

People need the truth.

I think nearly every blue knows the truth and what are you on banging on about censorship for? No one is advocating censorship….I said that I did not see what value it added to Everton’s case writing about the numbers…..no one has told them to stop it……we don’t live in a totalitarian state - its a democracy and as much people have a right to write within reason about any subject, I too have the right to challenge, like, dislike it.

 

[Damo_1878]

I think nearly every blue knows the truth and what are you on banging on about censorship for? No one is advocating censorship….I said that I did not see what value it added to Everton’s case writing about the numbers…..no one has told them to stop it……we don’t live in a totalitarian state - its a democracy and as much people have a right to write within reason about any subject, I too have the right to challenge, like, dislike it.

You said

I don’t have an issue with someone with no connection to the club articulating a position as an observer, he is a footballing finance ‘expert’ after all, if so they seek a rise in their stock off the back of our poor financial management so be it. They are footballing industry commentators. Regardless of where their allegiances may or may not lie, the club should not put itself in a position to be shot at.

I do however have an issue with so called evertonians drawing attention to it…..we all know it’s been a sh1t show so what is the objective beyond stating the obvious and illustrating with hypothetical numbers (because we don’t currently know what the exact allegations are) other than to draw a wider audience and build an audience base?

It certainly can’t be in the club‘s interest to keep pushing the same narrative. It’s those people whose motives I question who profess to love the club. Let due process unfold….the club is big enough to defend itself without self indulgent fans pouring fuel to the flames.

Jesus did anyone read what I wrote? There are plenty of reasons for wanting change which do not delve into the numbers if you are an Evertonian.

I am an avid supporter of the protests and I want them all out and my posting history supports this. What I am saying is there will plenty of outside scrutiny focussing on the numbers which could see a significant punishment inflicted on the club if found guilty.

In my opinion writing about the numbers only brings more focus in that lamentable area of our performance - if there wasn’t a risk of punishment I would fully support the articles. It feels like they are being written to remove BK, DBB and FM but at what potential cost to the club when mainstream media outlets are picking those articles up.

There’s enough material out there to hang them with, without attracting more attention to a subject on which we are under investigation.

That reads to me that you're calling into question the loyalty and/or the support of an Everton supporter for writing about the issues with for example PL P&S and/or the EFC accounts

That to me reads like censorship because you're saying they shouldn't be doing it.

I say they can do whatever they like. For too long this club has had Bill Kenwright's people try to tell fans what they can and cannot do (e.g. "KOPITE BEHAVIOUR" ... "stop being negative" etc etc)

Not having that any more. They can do what they like within the law

 

[Blue peter]

You said





That reads to me that you're calling into question the loyalty and/or the support of an Everton supporter for writing about the issues with for example PL P&S and/or the EFC accounts

That to me reads like censorship because you're saying they shouldn't be doing it.

I say they can do whatever they like. For too long this club has had Bill Kenwright's people try to tell fans what they can and cannot do (e.g. "KOPITE BEHAVIOUR" ... "stop being negative" etc etc)

Not having that any more. They can do what they like within the law

Whatever

 

[MikeH72]

MOSHIRI OUT

SACK THE BOARD

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

This employee of Liverpool University is placing in the public domain his private conversations with Everton FC officials.

I'd really love to know what his employers think of this.

I tell you one thing, he's lucky he didn't try this 'kin rubbish on with Liverpool FC or he'd have had to go into hiding by now with a new identity.

So, what you’re saying is, that nothing he has said is untrue.

and that’s the difficult medicine we have to take.

put whatever crazy nonsense spin on it you feel you need to to justify your existence, but you agree he‘s right.

Not one of us wants him to be right, but you know as well as I do that he is.

I know you like it to be the Dave K show, you know, say something absurd and then defend it to the hilt for giggles… but this is real, it’s not fanboyism. We’re in the mire and all the BS in the world won’t change that.

 

[Bkk Andy]

How does writing about Everton’s finances help Everton’s cause in defending an allegation from the PL?

It doesn't. It doesn't harm it either. The independent commission will investigate the facts rather than stories and fan forum messages.

Unless you think the commission is out to get us. Even then the stories make no difference.

 

[RomanReigns]

When is the next statement from mosh mosh due?