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Financial Fair Play investigation

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allen said:
I can't remember the specifics, someone posted the relevant section from the rulebook and all that stood out to me was that either party could appeal but only to the same commission or a new commission of the same standing.
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Yeah, either us or the PL can appeal the decision and can appeal the punishment. But there isn’t scope for any third party to appeal the decisions in the rules.

If either us or the PL appeal, a new “Appeal Board” will be set up by the Chair of the Judicial Panel consisting of 3 members. So I guess they review the decision making of the commission and decide whether it’s fair or not.
 
Jacko93 said:
And only on the emergence of new evidence.

Even if it goes back to the Premier League, it has to be agreed by more than 14 teams before they can take any action anyway. I have a feeling that there are a few teams, not including us, who would like to see as little action as possible, just in case it does actually set a precedent.....
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No new evidence is needed. The decision and punishment can both be appealed by either party. The PL board could appeal if they feel it’s too lenient for example. It doesn’t go back to the PL to ratify any punishment. The commissions decision is the outcome.

The PL board isn’t the 20 clubs. It a separate entity. The clubs are all just shareholders.
 
allen said:
I mean, who knows? It’s all so obfuscated, as you say.

I’m not even clear who decides the punishment. I know the commission decides on our guilt or innocence, and I know the league has apparently leaked what they consider to be a maximum punishment, but who decides what we ultimately get?

Presumably the scale of our culpability dictates the scale of our punishment. Assuming the league has final say on that, the calibration of the punishment is the bit that will be taking the time, I reckon - and it’ll probably be more about what precedent it sets for more serious offenders like City.
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I worry the lack of transparency on their parts is intentional so they are not ultimately held to account for whatever the outcome is in future for Man City.

I don’t think they’re bothered about us, I think they’re deliberating because this will set a precedent for the much bigger case against Man City and that holds huge implications for the PL and their ‘product’.
 
The good news is that they can't punish the fans this precedent was set then the scab 6 tried to join their "super duper more money for us league"... if you can't punish the fans of teams that tried to destroy football then surely they can't punish the fans of a club that spent a bit too much money.
 
Groucho said:
I worry the lack of transparency on their parts is intentional so they are not ultimately held to account for whatever the outcome is in future for Man City.

I don’t think they’re bothered about us, I think they’re deliberating because this will set a precedent for the much bigger case against Man City and that holds huge implications for the PL and their ‘product’.
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They'll punish us and then change the rules and let city off.
 

The fact that our ffp issue goes back to covid time which is probably one in a lifetime event make me think that the punishment will not be as bad as the media suggest. Yes the premier league put in some framework to take into account covid losses, but there is a huge gap which opens up question of interpretation of the rules that was never really properly in place because of the fact that this is a one in a lifetime event. Who really decides how much losses you can attribute to the pandemic? Its purely interpration and we push it to the extreme. If our issue was before covid or after, then I would be a lot more concerned.
 
It’s all just a complete load of cobblers.

To allow abramovic to just write off £4 billion in dept, no questions asked when the Russian-Ukraine war kicked off and then allow the new chelsea owner to come and spend like a sailor but try and nail us and city for lack of control of FFP is farcical and corrupt.

Uniteds debt is astronomical - but nothing is done as they appear to be operating according to FFP?!

It’s a fit up - it might as well be scrapped as it clearly doesn’t work or isn’t aligned for everyone, which clearly was the intention of it in the first place.
 
Marius57 said:
No new evidence is needed. The decision and punishment can both be appealed by either party. The PL board could appeal if they feel it’s too lenient for example. It doesn’t go back to the PL to ratify any punishment. The commissions decision is the outcome.
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This is true but unless new evidence is provided it is highly unlikely that a new commission will change the outcome from the first. To do so would mean the original decision has to be one that is on either end of the spectrum for them to really consider it. So if we got absolutely no punishment (if found guilty) or we got the full points deduction despite the mitigating factors.
 
NathDogg said:
It’s all just a complete load of cobblers.

To allow abramovic to just write off £4 billion in dept, no questions asked when the Russian-Ukraine war kicked off and then allow the new chelsea owner to come and spend like a sailor but try and nail us and city for lack of control of FFP is farcical and corrupt.

Uniteds debt is astronomical - but nothing is done as they appear to be operating according to FFP?!

It’s a fit up - it might as well be scrapped as it clearly doesn’t work or isn’t aligned for everyone, which clearly was the intention of it in the first place.
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FFP was only ever created by the big clubs to stay rich and stop smaller clubs going toe to toe with them.
 

Tipp blue said:
They'll punish us and then change the rules and let city off.
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Can everybody with a persecution complex come back on this thread and hold their hands up and admit they were wrong when the final verdict is announced? I for one don't expect any points deduction and obviously I'll hold my hands up, should the need arise.
I find these self-indulgent comments slightly tiresome.

UTFT
 
blulouie said:
They ( including EFC ) voted for it tho.
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I can’t pretend to have dug too deeply into the issue but presumably it kind of preserves the status quo across the board, which pulls the drawbridge up behind the established PL clubs to a certain degree, while also making it harder for perennial also rans like Everton to break into the CL spots regularly.

I’m not really sure that being financially responsible is something that should be enforced on clubs or any other business. It should be part and parcel of trying to run a successful business. Anyways, hopefully we don’t get slapped with a crazy punishment!
 
MinkyJoe said:
Can everybody with a persecution complex come back on this thread and hold their hands up and admit they were wrong when the final verdict is announced? I for one don't expect any points deduction and obviously I'll hold my hands up, should the need arise.
I find these self-indulgent comments slightly tiresome.

UTFT
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I fully expect a punishment.. there will be a fine... if there is a points deduction it will be suspended.. that's what I have said all along.
 

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