GhostOfDixie
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I know its probably a little heavy for this time of year, but [Poor language removed] it. I feel strongly about it, and maybe others do.
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Foreign Quota?
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So how does you working remotely for a US employer figure into the England for the English/foreigners stealing our jobs argument? (Or Britain for the British, I'm as confused as you about which you are claiming to be.)
I was one of three UK nationals on my MSc course and loved being around people from different cultures. They were at university to learn and not get pissed. Frankly I couldn't have cared less where they were from.
I'm not sure exactly where you're referring to but there are probably hundreds of estates where you wouldn't want to step foot into that are the way they are because of British people. The problem isn't one of race or nationality, it's one of crime.
Again, I havn't come across such an example so I can't really speak from experience. Shops, like any other business, are free to allow in anyone they please. Commercial common sense suggests you should have as wide a market as possible but if some wish to choose otherwise, who am I to tell them otherwise?
See the final paragraph in my previous post.
Maybe this is the problem, I was born in English but don't really class myself as English in the sense that I use it for identity. There are people here from all corners of the world and I like to think that I treat them all on their merits as individuals. Some I agree with, some I don't, but it's never because of where they're from. In a truely liberal society, dealing with our own is family. Outside of your family you don't really have any right to dictate the lifes of anyone else.
SuitsBlue
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what brought this topic on?
its somewhat scatter shot
i admit to getting a little narked at the fact that foreign criminals occupy places in british prisons when its a system on its knees anyway, the revolving door policy of punishment in britain is a huge factor in the reoffender rates.
recently the italian kid that stabbed the head teacher to death eleven years ago was released, and contrary to the promises made to his widow he hasnt been expelled from the country.
just on the law and order side of this topic, it is my opinion that due to the limp wristed manner in which criminals and specifically serious criminals are dealt with enables them to commit crimes.
the stupid hippy liberals that cry about human rights and treatment of criminals/prisoners are the problem. their inability to properly condemn an individual for their actions or inactions is for instance why sarah payne is dead.
when doctors find cancer in a body early enough they can operate, the operation means cutting the cancer out before it can spread and do any more damage to healthy tissue.
its somewhat scatter shot
i admit to getting a little narked at the fact that foreign criminals occupy places in british prisons when its a system on its knees anyway, the revolving door policy of punishment in britain is a huge factor in the reoffender rates.
recently the italian kid that stabbed the head teacher to death eleven years ago was released, and contrary to the promises made to his widow he hasnt been expelled from the country.
just on the law and order side of this topic, it is my opinion that due to the limp wristed manner in which criminals and specifically serious criminals are dealt with enables them to commit crimes.
the stupid hippy liberals that cry about human rights and treatment of criminals/prisoners are the problem. their inability to properly condemn an individual for their actions or inactions is for instance why sarah payne is dead.
when doctors find cancer in a body early enough they can operate, the operation means cutting the cancer out before it can spread and do any more damage to healthy tissue.
GhostOfDixie
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Well I see it as different as I am putting some back into the American system. I am not exploiting it.
I see where you are coming from though and its a sticky area. But I suppose I am referring to extremes where the flying of the flag is frowned upon.
Prison and what to do with criminals is a slightly different issue and one that largely boils down to cost, albeit with a bit of sociology/psychology mixed in.
The average cost of a prison place in 2002 was £38,753 per year. That's some serious money for keeping people locked up. You also have to consider that these people are obviously not working and therefore not contributing positively to the economic wellbeing of society. So on that score it seems sensible to rehabilitate and let loose as many as possible.
On the other hand, there is a cost to society of people being released and then reoffending. One study by Professor John DiIulio estimated that the annual cost of keeping a criminal in jail is $25,000 and the total social and economic cost to society (including policing, insurance, injuries, replacing stolen property, and household expenditure on security measures) of allowing the median offender to remain at large is $70,098. Obviously the figures are going to be different for UK prisons but the ratio of 2.8:1 could be assumed to stay the same.
Which brings us to the social/psychological view of whether a prisoner can be rehabilitated and subsequently the role of prison. Some may regard prisons as merely a place to keep the unwanted of society out of the way and regard the cost of them a cost worth bearing. Assuming that not all criminals will be subject to life sentances however it is surely worth considering their rehabilitative qualities to try and prevent reoffending. If so, what conditions need to be applied to encourage this process. Are criminals genetically programmed to break the law? Are they subject to conditions that aren't present for law-abiding citizens? Does it all go back to family break down/rise in single parents?
As you can see, lots of questions and I suspect someone that has studied the area has some answers. Sadly I'm not he
The average cost of a prison place in 2002 was £38,753 per year. That's some serious money for keeping people locked up. You also have to consider that these people are obviously not working and therefore not contributing positively to the economic wellbeing of society. So on that score it seems sensible to rehabilitate and let loose as many as possible.
On the other hand, there is a cost to society of people being released and then reoffending. One study by Professor John DiIulio estimated that the annual cost of keeping a criminal in jail is $25,000 and the total social and economic cost to society (including policing, insurance, injuries, replacing stolen property, and household expenditure on security measures) of allowing the median offender to remain at large is $70,098. Obviously the figures are going to be different for UK prisons but the ratio of 2.8:1 could be assumed to stay the same.
Which brings us to the social/psychological view of whether a prisoner can be rehabilitated and subsequently the role of prison. Some may regard prisons as merely a place to keep the unwanted of society out of the way and regard the cost of them a cost worth bearing. Assuming that not all criminals will be subject to life sentances however it is surely worth considering their rehabilitative qualities to try and prevent reoffending. If so, what conditions need to be applied to encourage this process. Are criminals genetically programmed to break the law? Are they subject to conditions that aren't present for law-abiding citizens? Does it all go back to family break down/rise in single parents?
As you can see, lots of questions and I suspect someone that has studied the area has some answers. Sadly I'm not he
Vote BNP then.
waits for backlash*
waits for backlash*
In a week where a miscarriage of justice was revealed due to DNA evidence the advocation of capital punishment is a brave one.
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Burn em!!!!!!
I was hoping for a ten page anger ridden thread here.
Start the infighting.
Start the infighting.
TX Bill
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Prison and what to do with criminals is a slightly different issue and one that largely boils down to cost, albeit with a bit of sociology/psychology mixed in.
The average cost of a prison place in 2002 was £38,753 per year. That's some serious money for keeping people locked up. You also have to consider that these people are obviously not working and therefore not contributing positively to the economic wellbeing of society. So on that score it seems sensible to rehabilitate and let loose as many as possible.
On the other hand, there is a cost to society of people being released and then reoffending. One study by Professor John DiIulio estimated that the annual cost of keeping a criminal in jail is $25,000 and the total social and economic cost to society (including policing, insurance, injuries, replacing stolen property, and household expenditure on security measures) of allowing the median offender to remain at large is $70,098. Obviously the figures are going to be different for UK prisons but the ratio of 2.8:1 could be assumed to stay the same.
Which brings us to the social/psychological view of whether a prisoner can be rehabilitated and subsequently the role of prison. Some may regard prisons as merely a place to keep the unwanted of society out of the way and regard the cost of them a cost worth bearing. Assuming that not all criminals will be subject to life sentances however it is surely worth considering their rehabilitative qualities to try and prevent reoffending. If so, what conditions need to be applied to encourage this process. Are criminals genetically programmed to break the law? Are they subject to conditions that aren't present for law-abiding citizens? Does it all go back to family break down/rise in single parents?
As you can see, lots of questions and I suspect someone that has studied the area has some answers. Sadly I'm not he
Found all this on the new Everton stats site did you?
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
burn em!!!!!!!!!
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