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Bruce Wayne said:
In a week where a miscarriage of justice was revealed due to DNA evidence the advocation of capital punishment is a brave one.
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had the wrong man been executed back in the day when DNA was at best in its infancy, the individuals that purposefully withheld evidence and gave fraudulent account to have him falsely condemned would now face the punishment he incurred.

if that means the state executing a couple of corrupt and cowardly police officers, then so be it.

responsibility.

its become a dirty word, and i cant understand why.
 


Bruce, our prisons are over crowded right, well 20% of the inmates are immigrant. If they were not there, no overcrowding so why is the government not getting shut?

With Ghost on this, just as an example reference Polish workers. They are taking the jobs which are by and large menial because they will take a lower wage as they do not have the same level of necessary expenditure as Uk citizens and send most of their money back home. One has to realise the reason they come here is that back home their wages would be even less!! Too many people spout on that Immigration is good for the country, no doubt some is but the immigrants we are talking of really do not contribute that much to the wealth of the country. In fact the government has not published details of the cost to the country of these people being here, like education, housing, benefits, healthcare, taxation, and law & order, UK unemployment. Have they got british driving licences (required after 6 months), what of vehicle insurance, vehicle taxation. One could go on and I would argue that the so called benefit to this country is grossly over estimated.

Do not forget this is only the legal immigrants.

GHost as for that shop in Wales, the owner should be prosecuted.
 
Actually 14% of the UK prison population are foreign born, totally just over 10,000 prisoners. The vast majority of those (8/10) are convicted of drugs offences. Whilst this no doubt contributes to the overcrowding of prisons it's worth considering that we currently have 52,500 people in jails that are over capacity according to the Howard League for Penal Reform so it isn't as simple as saying that if we banned immigration that our prison situation would be resolved.

What immigrants are we talking about? Chinese immigrants that have 74.8% of pupils achieving five or more good grades, compared to a national average of 50.7%?

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The groups most likely to have degrees are Chinese (31 per cent), Indian (25 per cent) and White Irish (24 per cent). These compared with 17 per cent of White British people.

In some ways Ghost is right, poor white people are the underclass in Britain at the moment. The troubles begin at school. Last year white teenagers entitled to free school meals—the poorest tenth—did worse in crucial GCSE examinations than equally poor members of any other ethnic or racial group (see chart).

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By tracking tens of thousands of poor children, academics at Bristol University have pinpointed the problem. When poor whites are tested at the age of seven, they fare only slightly worse than poor blacks, and better than poor Pakistani and Bangladeshi children, many of whom are struggling with English. By 14, whites have overhauled blacks and continue to lead the other two groups. But at 16, when futures are decided in the national exams, the white children do worst of all. Poor Indian and Chinese pupils, who have been ahead all along, increase their lead dramatically.

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Clearly something happens to white children between the ages of 14 and 16 that does not happen to others. That something is that they write off the value of education in doing well in life. At the same point in their lives, or even earlier, their parents and grandparents came to the same conclusion. John Simkin, who went to school in Dagenham in the 1950s, says the ready availability of factory work made for uninterested and rowdy classrooms. “We didn't believe there was any connection between our school work and what we would do as adults,” he says.

White youngsters who think they can leave school with few or no qualifications and walk into a job are not wholly deluded. Richard Berthoud, who studies the subject at Essex University, points out that whites at all levels of education (including the unskilled) are slightly less likely to be unemployed than are others. But poorly qualified whites face two problems. First, education trumps ethnicity. It takes only a dash of additional qualifications to enhance the job prospects and pay of a black or Asian person. And the competition is hungrier for qualifications: whites are less likely to stay at school beyond the age of 16 than any other group.

The second problem is that unskilled whites tend to go into the wrong line of work. Many toil in factories: in 2001 white British men comprised 89% of the overall workforce but 93% of the manufacturing workforce. Unfortunately for them, the sector has been in long-term decline. Manufacturing now employs just 18% of all male workers, down from 30% two decades ago. Ford, which employed 30,000 workers at its Dagenham car factory in the early 1970s, now requires 4,000—and new recruits for its engine plant are expected to have three good GCSEs, in maths, English and a science.

Immigrants and their offspring, by contrast, have found jobs in services and expanding public-sector activities. They are over-represented in health and social work, finance and the hotel and restaurant trade. With the exception of Pakistanis, they tend to be where the work is. The 2001 census showed that 42% of Indians, 55% of Bangladeshis and 79% of black Africans live in London. And they usually have a positive attitude to education. Many immigrants with humble jobs come from middle-class backgrounds and are determined that they, or their children, will return to that class. Others come from rural backgrounds; but they, too, push their offspring upward. Tahir Abbas of Birmingham University believes such immigrants are all the keener to rise in society because this opportunity was denied them in Bangladeshi and Pakistani villages.

During the past few decades the white working class has experienced a social upheaval of its own, which has contributed to the problems of those now doing so badly. In 1980 the roughly three-in-ten families who lived in social rented housing were given the right to buy their homes at subsidised rates. By 2004 some 1.7m had done so in England. Sales were swiftest in the smaller, nicer housing estates and in the parts of Britain where the private property market was strong. In east London the buyers were those whom Mr Perry calls “the elite of Dagenham”—people who, he says, “thought they were better than everyone else.” In other words, the aspirational working class.

Some of those who bought their own homes stayed in east London. Their properties are distinguished by stone cladding, leaded lights and, in some cases, Greek columns. But a great many others have sold up and moved to the fringes of Essex. There they indulge in even more exuberant feats of exterior decoration, send their children to good schools and, in many cases, vote for the Conservative Party. They have become middle class.

The departure of such strivers has removed the leaven from the housing estates that they quit. Doris Connolly, who has lived in Leicester's New Parks estate for more than 50 years, says that her street initially seemed heavenly. Its two-storey houses were solid and wide, with generous front rooms and indoor bathrooms. But her once friendly neighbours have been replaced by others who are loud and troublesome. It is as though the estate has become a social dumping-ground.

The estate is currently most famous for an incident that occurred in September, when two guard dogs attacked and killed a baby in its cradle. The media flocked there and reported that it was violent and unpoliceable. That was an exaggeration. There is plenty of crime in New Parks, but mugging and serious violence are comparatively rare. Between April and September this year burglaries outnumbered robberies eight to one (the average for England and Wales is three to one). The reason, believes Andy Sharp, a local copper, is that so many people know each other by sight.

One reason poor British whites have escaped scrutiny is that they are less associated with serious criminality than other ethnic groups, particularly Afro-Caribbeans. British blacks are disproportionately young and tend to live in big cities, which are heavily policed. They may be more likely to commit the sort of extravagantly violent crimes that attract stiff sentences. It is this reason, rather than any racial bias in the criminal-justice system, that explains why they are over-represented in prison compared with whites.

But whites actually commit more crime. A large survey carried out by the Home Office in 2003 found that white men were more likely to admit to having broken the law in the past year than were blacks, Asians or people of mixed race. Fully 18% of whites aged 10 to 25 admitted to a violent crime, and 15% said they had committed a theft. Young whites are also most likely to take Class-A drugs (the most serious kind).

Despite their occasionally sharp language, most poor whites are not deeply racist. More children are now born to one white and one Afro-Caribbean parent than to two Afro-Caribbean parents. Even in west Leicester, a solitary middle-aged Jamaican man can walk into a pub on an almost entirely white housing estate without fear of trouble.

Working-class whites do not, however, warm to those who seem to encroach on their privileges. The political fuss over east European workers notwithstanding, they worry less about competition for jobs than about public services. In Beaumont Leys, a bleak housing estate north of New Parks, locals have been known to break into houses where refugees are settled and to steal their council-provided furniture—or, as they see it, restore it to its rightful owners. Other responses to the new arrivals have been more violent. It is a surreal spectacle: people who live in some of the worst housing in Britain fighting to keep others out.

Received wisdom suggests that immigrants blend into the host society, gradually infiltrating the economy until they become socially indistinguishable from natives. Those who live in white working-class areas see things quite differently. As John Blackmore, a councillor who represents New Parks, puts it: “Asians seem to be the new middle class”.
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