Former Everton Managers discussion...

[ijjysmith]

@ijjysmith

In comparison to say Mike Walker, who was the most of their depth ?

Walker. But it's quite hard to compare them for me.

Walker had a tosh side to start with and somehow made it worse.

Martinez teased us with a new post-Moyes way of life that looked so rosy. Only for it to blow up in our faces the next two seasons.

And I think that's why the Spaniard feels so bitter to me. The willy tease of a good season left me feeling cheated.

All personal opinions of course.

 

[Connor]

Found a Walter Smith signed ball earlier while cleaning up.

More exciting analysis as and when we get it.

 

[davek]

Roberto Martinez was without question the worst manager in our history.

That avatar isn't saving you from my nukes.



The thread: thanks again for the thread set up, Andy.

I dont know why some other genius didn't think of it years ago.

 

[Number_25]

@davek was correct about Martinez, and I'm a big bad meff for disagreeing with him for so long.

 

[royalblue66]

Did Mike Walker ever get another job after we hailed him a black cab in Goodison Rd?

Think he started a skip hire biz.

 

[bicycleheader]

I don't agree with putting all blame on a manager. Martinez gets all the stick when a lot of those players played nowhere near their level for much of his last two seasons. I understand people taking a dislike to a manager in general, but why do they assume he was to blame for all that was going wrong behind the scenes.

They were two horrifically bad league seasons though and he had to go. No doubt about it.

It'll all come out some day.

 

[davek]

@davek was correct about Martinez, and I'm a big bad meff for disagreeing with him for so long.

There you go. That wasn't too difficult.

 

[ilikecheese]

I don't agree with putting all blame on a manager. Martinez gets all the stick when a lot of those players played nowhere near their level for much of his last two seasons. I understand people taking a dislike to a manager in general, but why do they assume he was to blame for all that was going wrong behind the scenes.

They were two horrifically bad league seasons though and he had to go. No doubt about it.

It'll all come out some day.

I think it came down to training and discipline. What was an an intial boost to player morale getting out from under dour Dave and being given freedom, ultimately became his undoing.

The players realized they needed more structure and discipline and eventually downed tools in protest. Probably without even knowing they were doing it.

I've seen it happen in my professional life.

 

[AndyC]

Looking back, and hindsight is a luxury after the event, most if not all of us were salivating for the majority of the first season under El Bob.

We had the defensive solidity built and engrained into the players by Moyes coupled with the more inventive and attractive, possession-based attacking style of Martinez.

To my mind where we all, including the club, went wrong was not heeding the very distinct warning signs exposed in the Anfield derby where we got soundly trashed and thrashed.

From that game, the season kind of fizzled out and despite the often quoted 72 points and Europa League qualification, not enough work was done by the manager and his coaching staff to correct the errors that had begun to appear.

From that moment through years two and three, we only saw glimpses of the best of season one, and ultimately the wheels well and truly came off.

 

[davek]

Looking back, and hindsight is a luxury after the event, most if not all of us were salivating for the majority of the first season under El Bob.We had the defensive solidity built and engrained into the players by Moyes coupled with the more inventive and attractive, possession-based attacking style of Martinez.
To my mind where we all, including the club, went wrong was not heeding the very distinct warning signs exposed in the Anfield derby where we got soundly trashed and thrashed.
From that game, the season kind of fizzled out and despite the often quoted 72 points and Europa League qualification, not enough work was done by the manager and his coaching staff to correct the errors that had begun to appear.

From that moment through years two and three, we only saw glimpses of the best of season one, and ultimately the wheels well and truly came off.

Also in retrospect: to move on from that season was a tall order. The only way it could be achieved would have been to have significantly better players brought in to carry out the game plan. The players he had couldn't handle the pressure of two top games per week and maintain the previous seasons levels of PL quality.

All manager at this club have and will be smashed against the rocks of underinvestment.

 

[AndyC]

Also in retrospect: to move on from that season was a tall order. The only way it could be achieved would have been to have significantly better players brought in to carry out the game plan. The players he had couldn't handle the pressure of two top games per week and maintain the previous seasons levels of PL quality.

All manager at this club have and will be smashed against the rocks of underinvestment.

Hopefully the days of underinvestment are or will soon be behind us... but that's probably a subject for elsewhere.

The handling of two top games per week is a salient point for Everton teams and managers of the past, let's expand on that as Howard Kendall was able to get his team of Cup Winners Cup success to handle it okay.

 

[davek]

Hopefully the days of underinvestment are or will soon be behind us... but that's probably a subject for elsewhere.

The handling of two top games per week is a salient point for Everton teams and managers of the past, let's expand on that as Howard Kendall was able to get his team of Cup Winners Cup success to handle it okay.

Different, more sedate, era of footy under HKI, I'd say. All we needed to win the treble in 85 was another 2 days to recover after the ECWC final.

 

[mkrudden]

Looking back, and hindsight is a luxury after the event, most if not all of us were salivating for the majority of the first season under El Bob.

We had the defensive solidity built and engrained into the players by Moyes coupled with the more inventive and attractive, possession-based attacking style of Martinez.

To my mind where we all, including the club, went wrong was not heeding the very distinct warning signs exposed in the Anfield derby where we got soundly trashed and thrashed.

From that game, the season kind of fizzled out and despite the often quoted 72 points and Europa League qualification, not enough work was done by the manager and his coaching staff to correct the errors that had begun to appear.

From that moment through years two and three, we only saw glimpses of the best of season one, and ultimately the wheels well and truly came off.

Whilst I understand agree with the warning signs in the Anfield derby, I can't agree with the "fizzling out" of the campaign. We were outstanding in after that game. Look at the results:



After that game, we won 8 out of 10 games until we got Tony Pulis'd. We lost only to Spurs and Chelsea away. After that point, I agree, it was inevitable Arsenal would finish above us.

Outstanding season, both in style and in substance.

2nd and 3rd seasons under our Catalan Prince...not so much!

 

[davek]

Whilst I understand agree with the warning signs in the Anfield derby, I can't agree with the "fizzling out" of the campaign. We were outstanding in after that game. Look at the results:

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After that game, we won 8 out of 10 games until we got Tony Pulis'd. We lost only to Spurs and Chelsea away. After that point, I agree, it was inevitable Arsenal would finish above us.

Outstanding season, both in style and in substance.

2nd and 3rd seasons under our Catalan Prince...not so much!

Good point, and builds into mine above about type of football and levels of fatigue-focus and effect on performance. The wheels came off slightly toward the end of that campaign.

There needed to be a phasing out to the bench/squad fillers of the Moyes old guard and more accomplished first team players brought in.

 

[peteblue]

Catterick did not get the credit he deserved by a long way.

Indeed, HK won with basically the same team, Harry built 2 title teams........