2021/22 Frank Lampard

[Nymzee]

Every other post is Dave.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Super super Frank super super Frank super super Frank super Frankie Lampard...

His here to cleanse all.

What's quite mad also

Doucoure, Dele, VDB, DCL, Dobbin weren't even in the matchday squad

On the way down with that other manger. The two acquisitions were very obvious to most of us. VDB was apparently incoming but Dele is down to Frank, interesting that one, reckon he has his detractors and been advised by the good influences to make a move away and start anew for the sake of career.

 

[banno]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

Yes good points but with Lampard if anyone gets a rating below 6 for performance then he will fine them 20 grand. That is motivation in its self.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Lad he could have signed Messi and mbappe he was still awful, we won 1 game in 15 ffs how are you still defending him? Pathetic

Which is what I said it ended badly - but it never ended in the bottom 3 like it did under both Koeman and Silva and there were some positives of his tenure alongside the negatives.

Benitez is gone now, the Rafatonains need to come to terms with the fact Benitez was EFC manager and move on and leave the hatred at the door as he lives in some people's heads rent free and still riles some up to the point they refuse to acknowledge any positives of his tenure.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

Spot on - we've been here too many times before.

Already we're seeing some posters fooled by Gomes and Holgate putting in a decent performance.

Get them binned off in the summer.

 

[Toffeelover]

Imagine where we’d be if those lads had been in the kamikaze Benitez love boat with you.

Benitez was a disaster for Everton. An unmitigated, unequivocal, irredeemable disaster.

Let it go, face forwards. You’ll feel better about life, I guarantee it.

Too true. Look forward consign FSW to history and buried.

 

[davek]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

Sure as night follows day we'll see a crisis for Lampard even before the end of this season. That's because the club runs on a short term cycle. It's baked into the outlook of fans now that any loss of form is a potential sacking offence. The expectation levels are daft for a club that's...well...rubbish, not to put too fine a point on it.

We are poorly governed, have a load of ex-players who were 'kin rubbish themselves by and large who stink the gaff out day in day out with their medicocrity, we have a below average squad of PL players...but the fans wont accept we have slipped out of that top 5th to 8th bracket we were in for ages before Moshiri arrived....in fact they still think we should be cracking the top 4.

The support of this club needs to fully accept we are absolute 'kin tosh as a football club at EVERY level. Be humble and dont expect anything other than at best mid-table (10th to 14th) for the next few seasons.

If they do, we might - just MIGHT - get into that new stadium as a PL organisation. If they dont, we are finished.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Sure as night follows day we'll see a crisis for Lampard even before the end of this season. That's because the club runs on a short term cycle. It's baked into the outlook of fans now that any loss of form is a potential sacking offence. The expectation levels are daft for a club that's...well...rubbish, not to put too fine a point on it.

We are poorly governed, have a load of ex-players who were 'kin rubbish themselves by and large who stink the gaff out day in day out with their medicocrity, we have a below average squad of PL players...but the fans wont accept we have slipped out of that top 5th to 8th bracket we were in for ages before Moshiri arrived....in fact they still think we should be cracking the top 4.

The support of this club needs to fully accept we are absolute 'kin tosh as a football club at EVERY level. Be humble and dont expect anything other than at best mid-table (10th to 14th) for the next few seasons.

If they do, we might - just MIGHT - get into that new stadium as a PL organisation. If they dont, we are finished.

Dont attempt to paint Benitez shameful management as 'any loss of form' - he was sacked far, far too late.

 

[catcherintherye]

They're at FF, mostly local ex players who have influence at all levels of the club on a daily basis. They are long term and the Lampard influx are short term.

That's the issue here. The clique below Lampard's new team who have outlasted 6 managerial changes will always be there providing the (substandard and self serving) culture of the club.

Just to play devils advocate here though Dave, lots of clubs have ex pro's in their academy structures. Very successful ones too Manchester United, Chelsea, back in the day Liverpool. I don't doubt treating the academy as (what appears to be) a bit of a charity is a problem, but I would say it's reflective of the board more than those involved. It's like, if I go into a workplace now, and people are taking liberties, my immediate thought is- why are they being allowed to get away with it. To me it's a club in the image of Bill Kenwright and DBB who ran the charity.

I hope Lampard can start to plug those gaps, and maybe pull some personnel across from Chelsea, but as you say it's short term, until the board make the changes. But if some of them have changed it in 20 years, you start to think that is what they want isn't it?

 

[rochdaleblue]

Spot on mate.

As for Carsley or Rooney: yes, I think they'd be up for making this club great again and not in it just to stuff money in their accounts.

It’s interesting Lampard stated goodison as one of the most hostile atmospheres to play in when he played here. He has ‘failed’ at his dream job - Chelsea. He has the chance to rebuild his reputation here with us. In time he might ‘get’ what managing our club and form a bond with the club and it’s supporters, but I’m not adverse to giving Rooney more time to learn his trade and build the necessary experience to manage here in the future. But let’s hope it doesn’t come to that and Lampard is successful and is here to lead us into the new stadium.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

TLDR but the usual drivel from you about players being to blame no doubt.

Benitez was sacked far too late and it was idiots like you who wanted to give him the time to carry the downward spiral on

I just hope we didnt leave it too late.

 

[Bluestar]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

I have had exactly the same thoughts about past managers starts.

Lampard is still highly respected for his playing career. Cole too. I’m sure that will count with the players. For me, the biggest issue for a long time has been recruitment. We have utterly failed in that area and successive managers have paid the price. However, by hook or by crook, right now we have ended up with a more balanced squad and Lampard probably has the best selection of players available to an Everton manager for ages. (I recognise there are still problems though).

We need to get recruitment right for the first team and the U23‘s so there are good understudy players pushing to step up. Not having a player under Coleman for so long was criminal, as was not having a backup to DCL. It feels like that is changing now and Moshiri’s acknowledgement that he has pushed for instant success is a good sign.

My fingers are crossed that we have finally hit rock bottom and turned a corner.

 

[catcherintherye]

Let’s hope Lampard can keep it going like this. I do remember all of the below however:

Koeman’s first game, loads of comments after the match like: that’s the sort of aggression that was missing under Martinez, finally we have a coach with tactical discipline etc.

Fast forward that 18 months and it was probably the worst Everton team I’ve ever seen

Allardyce first few games: we’re hard to beat again, he’s doing the basics properly

By the end of that stretch we were shipping 5 to a rank Arsenal team and looked absolutely clueless

Silva’s first few games: finally a young progressive manager, Richarlison is the bests signing we’ve made in years, we’re pressing as a team again, we’re on the front foot dominating possession

18 months later and that same group couldn’t put a pass together.

Ancelotti is probably the biggest difference of the lot. How good did everyone feel after that Spurs game. Allan and Docuoure were the best midfielders ever after that. It was 433 and we were winning the league. A few months later it was 5311 and we were hoping for a set piece and not to concede first, we couldn’t win at home, and we threw europe away horribly.

Even after Benitez’s first few games the comments were all about how we finally had the fire power to come from behind, Doucoure has been rehabilitated in a two, we had pace and power upfront. We all know how it was by the end.

So yeah yesterday was good but sadly that doesn’t count for anything with these players. You cannot trust them to maintain performance. It was no surprise that they turned up yesterday. The only real benchmark for them is if in 12 months time they are still performing at a similar level or god forbid there’s actually been some improvement. We cannot be changing manager again in 12 months though.

As I’ve said many times. Get the points to get safe this season, then get this lot on the bonfire in the summer. If we can have a cup run as well that would be great.

It is essentially the same pattern. We do ok for 10 games, then it's a pressure point for managers. In fairness to some managers, they would find another solution, (Koeman, Ancelotti and Silva all did) but Silva and Koeman got killed in the 2nd season, which to be fair Ancelotti largely avoided. I know people complained but 59 points was an excellent achievement.

Benitez had the same pattern, but at each level it was just lower than what went before, and it's largely because he's not as good a manager as the above. But it's the same pattern.

I don't really know how to break that cycle. To some extent the fans have to be patient, but honestly if you are in or about the relegation zone, I can understand why people get nervous. Benitez in particular was not turning it around. There probably needs to be more strength at board level, and you hope you sign players who have a bit more about them. In fairness, there are some who I think fall into that category. DCL, Mina, Allan, Doucoure, Richarlison have not fallen into that category. It's early days but I'm not sure Townsend or Gray do either. Hopefully some of the new lads will fit in well.

I do think they need a manager who helps them on the training pitch more, which Lampard will do, rather than an older discplinarian who treats them like they are elite players, which they are not.

It's troubling, but honestly if we can get to the summer safe over the next 10 games, that will be fine for me.

 

[Bluestar]

Ferguson, Unsworth, Ebbrell, Baines, Kelly etc might beg to differ. And will.

I have no insight into how they all work together at Finch Farm. However, I can see that the Academy has not produced enough talent over a long period, so that is certainly an issue that needs addressing.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I have had exactly the same thoughts about past managers starts.

Lampard is still highly respected for his playing career. Cole too. I’m sure that will count with the players. For me, the biggest issue for a long time has been recruitment. We have utterly failed in that area and successive managers have paid the price. However, by hook or by crook, right now we have ended up with a more balanced squad and Lampard probably has the best selection of players available to an Everton manager for ages. (I recognise there are still problems though).

We need to get recruitment right for the first team and the U23‘s so there are good understudy players pushing to step up. Not having a player under Coleman for so long was criminal, as was not having a backup to DCL. It feels like that is changing now and Moshiri’s acknowledgement that he has pushed for instant success is a good sign.

My fingers are crossed that we have finally hit rock bottom and turned a corner.

I do have a bit more faith in the likes of Gordon Branthwaite Godfrey Mykolenko Gray there does seem to be some hunger there and hopefully we can add a few more to that list like Patterson Alli Dobbin Simms Nkonkou Onyango etc.

Then there’s the likes of DCL Richarlison Mina Doucoure Allan Pickford who have most of the time maintained a decent level for us.

It’s the other lot I want out, the ones who have shown that they won’t concentrate, can’t avoid errors, aren’t good enough, will throw a rancid performance in at any point, don’t care, or can’t be bothered to ever get fit.

Coleman Kenny Keane Holgate Delph Davies Gomes Siggurdson Iwobi Tosun

Everton would be a lot better place in the short and long term if we just got rid of that list for good and replaced them with new signings or youth players.