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I didn't say they will get us out. But they are the only people who can. That's a fact.
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I didn't say they will get us out. But they are the only people who can. That's a fact.
Frank committed some missteps for sure , but he was seriously affected by factors beyond his control that diminished his ability to govern the game. Our only natural left back being ineligible to play, requiring us to play a winger as a wingback, Injuries to two of our more vital players that made a significant impact when absent also forcing changes and restricting him from making more positive alterations and the reffing was diabolical even for the dimwit Mike Dean, apparently scissor tackles from behind are only a yellow now. Despite those developments it's still up to the manager to devise ways to prevail so it's still on Frank , but taking those points I mentioned above into consideration and it's his second game I'm willing to overlook this performance. If similar displays permeate the pitch 10 games from now it will be a different stance, it's still incredibly early and I think Frank can alter things, but the task ahead as Holgate would say is massive.
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £40m
Do you believe that if you say this enough it will become a self fulfilling prophesy? You have posted the same thing loads and loads of time since Lampard came in. Its almost like you want it to happen, so you can be proved right.
Enough with the provocation, let's just give Lampard a chance to repair the damage we have suffered and try to keep us up.
I don’t see any reasonable fan turning on Lampard any time soon, they are all too well aware of the mess our previous manager left behind.
Who else can score goals and not concede goals if not the players?
Sporting Billy
Player Valuation: £1.5m
An observation from last night was that we were trying to play neat football with pretty triangles, passing it out from the back etc.
This is the way we need to go in the long run and is a major exercise in development.
Unfortunately, short term needs are a priority. We are trying to pass from the back with players who can’t pass, Mina, Holgate, into midfield to Allan and Gomes who can’t do anything with it and we end up in more trouble. Last night Mina gave away 3 sloppy passes early on.
I’m wondering whether an ‘Allardyce’ approach is preferable at the moment, ie defenders and Pickford just boot it downfield, anywhere away from the danger zone. This wouldn’t be pretty but in the short term would maybe more effective with the personnel at the back and in midfield we’re currently hampered with. This style of play however would be reliant on DCL to retain the ball up front as Richarlison can’ hold it up in a month of Sundays.
I fear this is the pragmatic way we need to play to survive.
Frank can develop a more attractive style in the close season with hopefully appropriate players.
This is the way we need to go in the long run and is a major exercise in development.
Unfortunately, short term needs are a priority. We are trying to pass from the back with players who can’t pass, Mina, Holgate, into midfield to Allan and Gomes who can’t do anything with it and we end up in more trouble. Last night Mina gave away 3 sloppy passes early on.
I’m wondering whether an ‘Allardyce’ approach is preferable at the moment, ie defenders and Pickford just boot it downfield, anywhere away from the danger zone. This wouldn’t be pretty but in the short term would maybe more effective with the personnel at the back and in midfield we’re currently hampered with. This style of play however would be reliant on DCL to retain the ball up front as Richarlison can’ hold it up in a month of Sundays.
I fear this is the pragmatic way we need to play to survive.
Frank can develop a more attractive style in the close season with hopefully appropriate players.
No it's absolutely a fact. I have no idea what point you are making.
The only way we get out of this mess is results on the pitch. Who else can get results on the pitch but our players? Who else is going to save us except the players?
I'm very confused
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £40m
I misunderstood so do apologise...
I thought you meant Keane playing at CB is a given and that there is no other option than to play him.
I was saying that I hope Lampard sees how poor he is and if he continues to play him, we are dead, so thinks outside of the box for the solution.
I have no idea what that solution is though, but if we continue to start Keane relegation becomes much more of a possibility.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
I agree. Needs must. We don’t have the defenders or midfielders with the ability to take the ball in tight situations. It was frightening how often we lost the ball just out of our goalmouth particularly in the first half.
Yeah maybe I worded it poorly. I just meant that we have very few options in certain positions so have to back whoever is fit, even if they have let us down a lot. Only the players we have available on the pitch every week can get us out of this mess, so we have no option but to back them.
Goodison is the only thing we have in our favour. Home games will make or break the season.
When we were getting overwhelmed in the second half the defense started to boot out the ball out of desperation it was primarily Holgate and Newcastle just charged back and continued to overwhelm us. I dont know if playing from the back is ideal for now but the pinball football of Sam isn't ideal because our defense in its current state isnt capable of dealing with constant pressure
Zeitgeist
Player Valuation: £35m
Well Frank, you've been lashed in at the deep end here mate. Got your work cut out for you, get us to the summer in the premier league and I back you to make us into a steady team again.
Should the dreaded happen and we go down, I back him to bring us back up too (if he wants to stay)
Should the dreaded happen and we go down, I back him to bring us back up too (if he wants to stay)
Jimmy Grimble
Player Valuation: £20m
The aggressive, front foot footie only works if you have players playing with the energy and intensity needed. If there is no movement up front, playing the forward pass is tough and often results in conceding possession. If players don't go pressing as a pack, it's useless. If we need a 10 minute breather and rely on our shaky defence to bale us out when we score, we're going to get battered. Trouble is, some of these deficiencies are very ingrained now. It may take some time to change the mindset.
And who put Townsend as LWB? Who put in Coleman? Where was Patterson?
I will not judge Lampard as a manger on this one game, but the managemnt of tis one game should be open for scrutiny. After Gray got injured he couldv put in Ghazi, or VdB. Not Alli, who did nothing and has been out of form for ages. WHen Mina got subbed for Branthwait, and the course of our midfield being run over, the logic would e to take off an attacker and add a midfielder, not sub one midfielder for another.
That you can blame Frank for.
The other thing wich should be mentioned, is that this happened a lot at Chelsea too. Frank comes in with plan A. the opponent nullifies plan A and then Frank doesnt have a plan B.
I hope he has learned from last night, but it should be mentioned.
Remember herr klopp when he first came in. He tried to play a brand of footy most of players weren't suited for but kept it up till he had the right players. Even if we go down really hope we stick behind him
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