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2021/22 Frank Lampard

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Number_25 said:
Never the man for the job.

Look at Derby forums when he left. Look at Chelsea forums when he were sacked. Mistakes leading to goals has been a running theme in every Lampard team.

At this point, I would rather have someone like Unsworth come in and at least bring the passion back for the club. Right now we're dead and buried.
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Amazing
 
BlueToff said:
But mate, Benitez did try the 'hard to beat' style and look how not hard to beat we were...

I think Lampard got it badly wrong v Spurs for example but in every league game since he's gone more conservative yet individual blunders have cost us points.
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Yes, wolves, Newcastle,
West Ham and Burnley all close games.
Gutted we only got 3
Points. Especially the last 2 think we should have had 4 from them 2.

When you factor in injuries, red cards which means basically 3/4 changes every game, we haven’t done to bad. Is just stupid errors costing us and not being clinical enough. Missed a great chance v wolves at 0-0 and lose from a set piece. West ham again gifting goals and last night to.

It’s not over yet, but we need to win one of the next 2. And then try and have a bit of luck with a settled side. And we may still just get out of it.
 
Number_25 said:
Never the man for the job.

Look at Derby forums when he left. Look at Chelsea forums when he were sacked. Mistakes leading to goals has been a running theme in every Lampard team.

At this point, I would rather have someone like Unsworth come in and at least bring the passion back for the club. Right now we're dead and buried.
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Unsworth shouldn’t even be at the club any more or big Dunc. This is the whole problem.

If Moshiri had ripped the club apart when he came in and got a new board and the right football people running the club. Frank Lampard wouldn’t be our manager now.
 
kenada_blue said:
They're premier league footballers. They're not been told to play like Man City. They make simple errors. Look at this:



Dom half arsed.
Gordon half arsed
Kenny skinned.

Then...Gordon or Dom don't run back, Doucoure does having been yards forward than both.

Next phase Branthwaite, Holgate, and Godfrey all crowd round Collins without any intensity allowing him to poke a ball through 3 players.

You can't coach that as it's the basics. Engage the ball, win or fight your own battles.

The same happened for the 3rd goal.

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Doucoure doesn't engage the thrower. Godfrey has an age to even stop and control that ball. He panics. Slices.

You can't fix that on the training ground
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Dom couldn't be bothered to put in a challenge, or even push him towards the sideline. Gordon was far too slow to react. Kenny was rash and got skinned. The centre halves were then marking thin air.

Other than that it wasn't too bad though in fairness.
 

kenada_blue said:
They're premier league footballers. They're not been told to play like Man City. They make simple errors. Look at this:



Dom half arsed.
Gordon half arsed
Kenny skinned.

Then...Gordon or Dom don't run back, Doucoure does having been yards forward than both.

Next phase Branthwaite, Holgate, and Godfrey all crowd round Collins without any intensity allowing him to poke a ball through 3 players.

You can't coach that as it's the basics. Engage the ball, win or fight your own battles.

The same happened for the 3rd goal.

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Doucoure doesn't engage the thrower. Godfrey has an age to even stop and control that ball. He panics. Slices.

You can't fix that on the training ground
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But when that was going on under Benitez it was all his fault and he wasn't coaching the defence so what's changed?

You cant blame the manager then when a new manager comes in blame the players when said new manager hasn't improved on anything.

I agree the players take the lion share of the blame and have done for me all season - but at this stage of the game we need to grind out points and when you have Mason Holgate in CM and Kenny at RB playing on the front foot away from home isn't the wisest thing to be doing.

I thought he should have taken Iwobi off for Delph at 2-2 and taken control of the midfield and kept the point / hit them on the break with Gray and Richarlison for a winner.

DCL should have been hooked also for Rondon.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Yes, wolves, Newcastle,
West Ham and Burnley all close games.
Gutted we only got 3
Points. Especially the last 2 think we should have had 4 from them 2.

When you factor in injuries, red cards which means basically 3/4 changes every game, we haven’t done to bad. Is just stupid errors costing us and not being clinical enough. Missed a great chance v wolves at 0-0 and lose from a set piece. West ham again gifting goals and last night to.

It’s not over yet, but we need to win one of the next 2. And then try and have a bit of luck with a settled side. And we may still just get out of it.
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Yesterday was two horrendous mistakes away from being a fine performance for where we are. Burnley did nothing to test us. Pickford had one save to make in the 2nd half yet we've gifted them two goals.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
But when that was going on under Benitez it was all his fault and he wasn't coaching the defence so what's changed?

You cant blame the manager then when a new manager comes in blame the players when said new manager hasn't improved on anything.

I agree the players take the lion share of the blame and have done for me all season - but at this stage of the game we need to grind out points and when you have Mason Holgate in CM and Kenny at RB playing on the front foot away from home isn't the wisest thing to be doing.

I thought he should have taken Iwobi off for Delph at 2-2 and taken control of the midfield and kept the point / hit them on the break with Gray and Richarlison for a winner.

DCL should have been hooked also for Rondon.
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They defended far better last season is the issue. So when they were coached by Ancelotti they didn't make so many errors. Then Benitez came in, changed the system and methods, and we fell apart. Once the rot kicks in it's hard to get out of that rut.

No manager is the main problem here. Not Benitez, not Lampard. It's mostly the players. But the reality is that Lampard inherited a side with zero quality, zero confidence, and zero commitment. These things got out of control under the previous manager.
 

There is no way that frank or Rafael can be held accountable for our historic free fall .. I say historic because our decline has been ongoing for some time. The owner ,the chairman should be ejected from the club.( Brands as well only he is gone ).If we have to start again,for any progress then these people have to go. In my opinion I don't think any manager could have saved us .. not even Paul Daniels could have done a thing with that team.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Yes, wolves, Newcastle,
West Ham and Burnley all close games.
Gutted we only got 3
Points. Especially the last 2 think we should have had 4 from them 2.

When you factor in injuries, red cards which means basically 3/4 changes every game, we haven’t done to bad. Is just stupid errors costing us and not being clinical enough. Missed a great chance v wolves at 0-0 and lose from a set piece. West ham again gifting goals and last night to.

It’s not over yet, but we need to win one of the next 2. And then try and have a bit of luck with a settled side. And we may still just get out of it.
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I admire your optimisim

But we just have too many error prone players. We have 4-5 players on the pitch who have a code red mistake in them every game, some of them more than one.

Imagine Ronaldo in the air against our defenders? Yikes.
 
Zeitgeist said:
I admire your optimisim

But we just have too many error prone players. We have 4-5 players on the pitch who have a code red mistake in them every game, some of them more than one.

Imagine Ronaldo in the air against our defenders? Yikes.
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Ronaldo could probably beat Pickford from 45 yards, never mind from a header
 

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