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I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Literally the only reason I went on Benitez trolling mission was because people were turning on carlo. And Ben was what they deserved.
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Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
I think a manager will be successful if he's been appointed after some proper thought going into it in terms of how suitable he is for both the current squad and also for reaching the club's future goals. I think if we go down there will be a fire sale and the squad will look very different to how it is now.
R934
Player Valuation: £1m
From the outside we're a team 'on paper' that's at best top half at worse midtable. We seemingly an owner whose invested, a new ground on the horizon, & passionate supporters. Its a 'good challenge' all the lads need is confidence, new system, new faces, any other cliche.
Few weeks in it then becomes apparent we're a squad of unprofessional cowards alongside a completely dysfunctional boardroom
Least we forgot 'what would Everton do'- It's all about image.
Keeping up the semblance that everything's smelling of roses, snippets of 'good news', spineless club 'ambassadors', all whilst overseeing a complete mismanagement of the club top to bottom.
In Lampard's case Palace seemed like final straw*, but ultimately he can do very little to 'fix' the issues - they're deep rooted. Any manager needs time to literally 'rip it up', until they're given time the same cowards will repeat the cycle of downing tools when they see fit.
The owner will continue to appease them [and at times the fans] basically vindicating himself and the squad from direct blame.
No one is expecting people to call out there boss, but ultimately being a nodding dog hasn't merely placated the issues.
Safe to say the deep set malaise this club has become set it before Moshiri [we didn't push on, we've sat back content with 'best of rest' whilst others caught and overtook] its only been compounded by him.
Ran like a circus, perform like a circus
To reaffirm a point, no manager fixes us, stop giving excuses for the systemic failings.
*'Play The Kids' - The only time we've really fast-tracked youth into the first team was under Roberto's 1st season. The environment was positive, it was an easy choice to make. Since then its been multiple years, multiple managers, multiple directions the academy has been pushed/pulled in, the kids themselves don't really stand a chance.
Few weeks in it then becomes apparent we're a squad of unprofessional cowards alongside a completely dysfunctional boardroom
Least we forgot 'what would Everton do'- It's all about image.
Keeping up the semblance that everything's smelling of roses, snippets of 'good news', spineless club 'ambassadors', all whilst overseeing a complete mismanagement of the club top to bottom.
In Lampard's case Palace seemed like final straw*, but ultimately he can do very little to 'fix' the issues - they're deep rooted. Any manager needs time to literally 'rip it up', until they're given time the same cowards will repeat the cycle of downing tools when they see fit.
The owner will continue to appease them [and at times the fans] basically vindicating himself and the squad from direct blame.
No one is expecting people to call out there boss, but ultimately being a nodding dog hasn't merely placated the issues.
Safe to say the deep set malaise this club has become set it before Moshiri [we didn't push on, we've sat back content with 'best of rest' whilst others caught and overtook] its only been compounded by him.
Ran like a circus, perform like a circus
To reaffirm a point, no manager fixes us, stop giving excuses for the systemic failings.
*'Play The Kids' - The only time we've really fast-tracked youth into the first team was under Roberto's 1st season. The environment was positive, it was an easy choice to make. Since then its been multiple years, multiple managers, multiple directions the academy has been pushed/pulled in, the kids themselves don't really stand a chance.
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Kev The Rat
Player Valuation: £70m
needs sacking if we lose against Utd
OTOH even after the next 2, there are still 7 games left, so if he is still here after losing to Utd I would bin him after losing the next one.
10 points needed from 9 games. That takes us to 35 points;
In the last 5, the following total prevented relegation; 2020/21 - 29 points 2019/20 - 35 points 2018/19 - 35 points 2017/18 - 34 points 2016/17 - 35 points
After losing 7 in 9 league games, including some proper good spankings - it's hard to find the belief that Lampard gets us those points.
New manager bounce with this horrible set of players?..... Maybe.
If Moshiri feels that way, if he/DOF/Board thinks a change might give us a better chance, he'll change it. Especially given Lampard was never their preferred choice - I mean, a Martinez job share was before him!
I was mocked a bit on here for saying Lampard wouldn't be the manager to relegate us because they'd make the change first - I said if we lose Burnley, Man Utd and Leicester - making it 9 league defeats in 11 and we're sat in the bottom 3, panic alone will mean Lampard is gone.
It's nothing to do with the last 5 years. It's not about apportioning blame - it's about whatever helps Everton avoid relegation.
I want Lampard to manage us next season but those at the club, close to the players and manager have a massive decision to make on whether he could be right man/wrong time.
"We can't keep sacking managers" is a nonsense shout at this stage, a nonsense shout give Benitez too long.
We can't keep a manager who isn't right, particularly in a relegation fight.
Whether he's right or not I don't know - but results are all that matter.
In the last 5, the following total prevented relegation; 2020/21 - 29 points 2019/20 - 35 points 2018/19 - 35 points 2017/18 - 34 points 2016/17 - 35 points
After losing 7 in 9 league games, including some proper good spankings - it's hard to find the belief that Lampard gets us those points.
New manager bounce with this horrible set of players?..... Maybe.
If Moshiri feels that way, if he/DOF/Board thinks a change might give us a better chance, he'll change it. Especially given Lampard was never their preferred choice - I mean, a Martinez job share was before him!
I was mocked a bit on here for saying Lampard wouldn't be the manager to relegate us because they'd make the change first - I said if we lose Burnley, Man Utd and Leicester - making it 9 league defeats in 11 and we're sat in the bottom 3, panic alone will mean Lampard is gone.
It's nothing to do with the last 5 years. It's not about apportioning blame - it's about whatever helps Everton avoid relegation.
I want Lampard to manage us next season but those at the club, close to the players and manager have a massive decision to make on whether he could be right man/wrong time.
"We can't keep sacking managers" is a nonsense shout at this stage, a nonsense shout give Benitez too long.
We can't keep a manager who isn't right, particularly in a relegation fight.
Whether he's right or not I don't know - but results are all that matter.
Nah sorry I'm not having this. The idea these players are allowed to see off another manager and get another chance, and delay the overhaul of the squad, makes me feel pretty ill to be honest.
Another sacking means they win again and are not held to account. That's unacceptable to me.
I think if Moshiri is in the UK today, it's to sense check/have a plan in place for action if we lose that game.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It's really that simple.
I actually dont think this nuclear option will work, given the team we have. But we have to give that a go if we dont beat United.
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There's no good solution, but sticking with the manager come what may, and making sure these players are held accountable come what may, is the least bad option in my mind.
I don't see any new manager getting more out of these players. If they can't be arsed now, then why would they be arsed with a caretaker here for 6 or 7 games, or any other new appointment. The idea of them getting another chance to try and fool another manager makes me feel a bit sick.
steven
Player Valuation: £35m
It’s the only time they can make the change with a break before the business end.
Will it make a difference? Doubtful. But I don’t doubt Moshiri will make the call.
GoldenToffee
Player Valuation: £70m
Moshiri might as well appoint himself as Manager to be honest, as he's the one who goes around signing players that nobody knew anything about/
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I didn't know he was in the UK. If that's true then Lampard is gone shortly after 2.30PM Saturday if he doesn't have 3 points to show Moshiri.
HeltSkelt
Player Valuation: £950k
Don’t even need to park the bus, just shithouse effectively for 45mins like Wolves do when they have a lead. Break up play, waste time. We’re in a war not having a picnic
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