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2021/22 Frank Lampard

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the players keep making mistakes

they need to sort it out they goons
Lampard is playing high risk, high reward football though. Do that with players who are low on confidence, and you are asking for trouble. High risk means playing a high line and looking to pass it out from the means greatly increases the chances of your side making mistakes. High reward only works if you have players who are confident in front of goal and who are ruthless.

We need a Coach who will organise us at the back and play percentage football. We need a pragmatic approach, not a dreamer who thinks he can turn Keane and Kenny into the next Baresi and Maldini.

Lampard is trying to play champagne football with lemonade players.
 
So who thinks he should go? Saw dailyfail with a few stories so wondered if it was a fair reflection or my fault for reading trash?
 
West Brom were six points from safety when Allardyce was appointed; I forget exactly when, but I believe it was before the half way point. He had no interest in Everton when he was our manager and I doubt if Alex Ferguson at his peak could make the shower of weaklings and mercenaries currently disgracing our club look like a proper team.
West Brom had 7 points from 13 games when Allardyce took over. They would have needed 40 points to stay up. So they would have needed to triple their PPG and hit Europa League form to have stayed up.
 
Can you point where I said that please mate

Thanks

Sorry, I don't know how to quote these things in a proper format but here you go...

nsno-chris

Super Frank hates the FAT KOPITE​


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He did get a clap from most supporters in his first game, yes. That doesn't mean he was universally welcomed or that he was given full backing.

You only need to look on here to see the personal and sometimes xenophobic abuse he gets from people who say he should never have been here in the first place and that this was plain for all to see before his appointment.

It was apparent to everyone he wasn't universally welcomed at the time. I think it's you that seems to be trying to change history.
He was, so please stop lying
 

Are the ones who wanted us to blame the players under Benitez now blaming all put woes on Frank?

Truth is all of them have been poor, Frank, Benitez, and the players.

Not one of those has been up to standard.

I liked what I saw when we won the games against Brentford and Leeds. The defending in every other match has been as bad as anything under Benitez. Players heads have gone.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure how many of our players will be bothered if we go down - would they actually feel the weight of shame? Would it be a meek show?

I remember getting relegated as a Saturday league player and we were crestfallen - fluffin' embarrassed. These lot will blame someone else or just move on.
That’s it really. Most of them won’t be relegated at all as they will move to another lower Premier League team as soon as the window opens.

The only ones who will suffer from relegation are us fans and those non playing staff at the club who will inevitably lose their jobs.
 
Sorry, I don't know how to quote these things in a proper format but here you go...

nsno-chris

Super Frank hates the FAT KOPITE​


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He was, so please stop lying
You’re all over the gaff here fella, and a massive lair to boot.

I’ve said that me and a small minority didn’t want him, you said that wasn’t true and everyone didn’t want him - which is lie.

The count is at 10 mert, your legs are gone - stay on the canvas
 
Lampard is playing high risk, high reward football though. Do that with players who are low on confidence, and you are asking for trouble. High risk means playing a high line and looking to pass it out from the means greatly increases the chances of your side making mistakes. High reward only works if you have players who are confident in front of goal and who are ruthless.

We need a Coach who will organise us at the back and play percentage football. We need a pragmatic approach, not a dreamer who thinks he can turn Keane and Kenny into the next Baresi and Maldini.

Lampard is trying to play champagne football with lemonade players.
We’ve just had 2 pragmatic managers, yes Ancelotti started well,
But 2nd half of the season was bottom 6 form. And then Rafael.

It’s easy in hindsight 9 games
In to say the club should have done This and should have done that. But I was all for
Getting a manager who wants to play the right way and be on the front foot.

Getting another manager who parks the bus to see this season through, would have meant another change of manager next season, because this group would have folded agin.

What ever happens the only way big changes happen, is keeping the same guy in charge. It may ultimately not work out for
Frank, but at least give him
And the new DOF a
Chance to change the squad and mentality
 

So I do not rule out that it was right to dismiss Benitez, but I'm pretty sure we would have had a better chance of surviving with him as manager than Lampard.

I think we have average players who think they are stars, and that's where I think a lot of the problem lies. They are not willing to learn, or sacrifice for the team (Digne).

Agree with what you are saying broadly but its all if's but's and maybe's if Benitez was still here. There is a very good chance that irrespective of whomever was manager the nosedive in form Oct - Jan might have been too steep to recover from.

We absolutely have average players, some not even that and their ability and ego are not aligned. Think in Digne's case he was good enough but wasn't prepared to sacrifice for the team, but maybe not so easy to sacrifice when the results don't match the intention. A pity how it played out really because we would have been better off with him in the team over the last couple of months.
 
Agree with what you are saying broadly but its all if's but's and maybe's if Benitez was still here. There is a very good chance that irrespective of whomever was manager the nosedive in form Oct - Jan might have been too steep to recover from.

We absolutely have average players, some not even that and their ability and ego are not aligned. Think in Digne's case he was good enough but wasn't prepared to sacrifice for the team, but maybe not so easy to sacrifice when the results don't match the intention. A pity how it played out really because we would have been better off with him in the team over the last couple of months.
I maintain that with Digne in the squad we would have picked up a couple of extra wins and would be nowhere near relegation.
 
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You’re all over the gaff here fella, and a massive lair to boot.

I’ve said that me and a small minority didn’t want him, you said that wasn’t true and everyone didn’t want him - which is lie.

The count is at 10 mert, your legs are gone - stay on the canvas

Haha what the [Poor language removed] are you talking about?

I said Benitez "did get a clap from most supporters in his first game, yes. That doesn't mean he was universally welcomed or that he was given full backing" and "It was apparent to everyone he wasn't universally welcomed at the time."

You said "He was, so please stop lying."

When I laughed at you suggesting that Benitez was universally welcomed, you asked me to prove where you said it. I just did.

On what basis am I all over the place?

If you're more savvy with the board than I am then quote our full conversation for all to see please?

If you think I said that nobody wanted Benitez, then you're confused and not reading what I said properly.

I think it's you that's all over the place here but it's OK, it happens!
 
Say when Frank came in this was the beginning of the season, after the amount of game he has had and failed in I reckon many would be shouting for him to go, now reality it’s bearing the end of the season and bare in mind a manager keeping his job depends on points he gets, Frank has been in the main poor, I’m thinking the UTD game should be his final one if he loses it, we just can’t carry on like this.
 

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