2021/22 Frank Lampard

[bcblue1878]

Yet you can't do it without mentioning my nationality.

I have a lot of reasonable discussions here. I'm not talking down to people because we disagree, I understand why people think Lampard has done well, I understand why people think he should stay, I just don't think that.

A lot of my talking crap has proven out to be not so crap in time. I'm not always right but I'm not always wrong either.

And I still think you'll miss Goodison, Sunday was special.

But you nearly always do, and that’s why the flak has headed in your direction since “the worst ever post “ thing earlier! It’s absolutely nothing to do with nationality, we’ll not for me at least, but far more to do with the fact that no one else understands football and how it should be played as much as you think you do!

 

[TheBigIguana]

So you will give the next fella 4months to impress you?

And then what, another 4 months for the next?

Whats your plan?

No, I'd certainly expect someone signed in the summer to last the year.

As I said this is an Allardyce situation. We get to choose what to do this summer with the benefit of giving a candidate a tryout already. Frank is starting fresh and so would another manager. But we've given Frank a test drive and can weigh that against any one else.

 

[Goat]

No, I'd certainly expect someone signed in the summer to last the year.

As I said this is an Allardyce situation. We get to choose what to do this summer with the benefit of giving a candidate a tryout already. Frank is starting fresh and so would another manager. But we've given Frank a test drive and can weigh that against any one else.

You keep mentioning Allardyce, why is that?

 

[marnie]

THIS Thread would be on page 250 if it wasn't for this complete and utter BEAUT FFS. Hit the FKKIN button lads.

 

[Marius57]

I really do get it.

This is going to get people riled up but I think the best place to look here is to the RS and Klopp. Klopp gets all of the passion and connection to the fans aspects that you're talking about. All of it is there and it does help drive the team.

But that isn't everything. Klopp is also a fantastic tactical manager. He's been able to engineer a Dortmund side that could compete with Bayern Munich to the point that Bayern had to tear it apart to stop it and then gone a step further and created an excellent side with them. He's able to dominate games and imo is one of the best at understanding all the finer points that matter. So go ahead and call me a kopite or whatever but he's really great at what he does and I don't think you can really fight it.

Point being you have to have both sides. Benitez couldn't ever work (he was a tactical mess too but pretend he wasn't) because he didn't have that first part. And I'm concerned right now that Lampard isn't going to have the second.

The vast majority of managers don't achieve success like klopp has done ever since he went into management. He is in the top tiny percent. And other than mainz which took him several years to get promoted from 2 Bundesliga (who he was also relegated with) the clubs he has been at have already had good set ups, money to spend, and relatively recent success.

After Mainz, he has then gone to 2 clubs and been given time to build. He hasn't taken them over when they had the worst form in the league, dropping like a stone, with zero morale and 1 day of a transfer window to solve things.

We weren't hiring a league winning manager from one of the best clubs in the world when we were 16th. And it's a poor comparison.

 

[TheBigIguana]

You keep mentioning Allardyce, why is that?

Because he's the other permanent manager we brought in to help us survive. In doing so he "had" to play a certain way to scrape points and that is what Lampard is doing now. If Allardyce was to have stayed he would have brought his players in and done different things (in theory, I obviously don't believe him) the same as we're claiming Lampard will now. And ultimately the first summer would have been a pretty clean break from the mess they inherited as far as starting their time in charge goes.

That means for me bringing in a new manager doesn't actually disrupt the timeline any. You're essentially starting over either way. This is the key point.

We're worse off now, but I think the situation is similar. Now of course Lampard has less history so it is easier to talk yourself into his upside going forward. I get that, I do it all the time myself with players. I'm just looking at our performances and I'm concerned. And we are starting over either way.

 

[bcblue1878]

Well I ask you this: have you seen anything to suggest that this time next year we'll be a consistent team with a consistent system and a more defined way of going about things week to week?

I suspect if we stay in the Premier League, or even if we don’t tbh, with the benefit of a good transfer window, a good pre season with the players, we will see a far more positive “style” of football for most games next season!
But at the moment needs must, we are unfortunately in a relegation battle that arguably could dictate the whole future of the club, and points are the most important thing not a “style” of play!
Anyway as I’ve said in another post you know best ?!

 

[TheBigIguana]

I suspect if we stay in the Premier League, or even if we don’t tbh, with the benefit of a good transfer window, a good pre season with the players, we will see a far more positive “style” of football for most games next season!
But at the moment needs must, we are unfortunately in a relegation battle that arguably could dictate the whole future of the club, and points are the most important thing not a “style” of play!
Anyway as I’ve said in another post you know best ?!

I mean that isn't really an answer to what I asked, but thanks for typing it out anyway I guess.

 

[Goat]

Because he's the other permanent manager we brought in to help us survive. In doing so he "had" to play a certain way to scrape points and that is what Lampard is doing now. If Allardyce was to have stayed he would have brought his players in and done different things (in theory, I obviously don't believe him) the same as we're claiming Lampard will now. And ultimately the first summer would have been a pretty clean break from the mess they inherited as far as starting their time in charge goes.

That means for me bringing in a new manager doesn't actually disrupt the timeline any. You're essentially starting over either way. This is the key point.

We're worse off now, but I think the situation is similar. Now of course Lampard has less history so it is easier to talk yourself into his upside going forward. I get that, I do it all the time myself with players. I'm just looking at our performances and I'm concerned. And we are starting over either way.

First of all, Lampard wasnt brought in to keep us up.

And Big Sam has had a 40 year career and only ever done it 1 way.

Lampard has shown with his Derby and Chelsea teams and initially here at Everton that he wants to do things differently.

But yeah, neither will bend here, as ive said, when I know for certain hes not the man for us, I will be leading the charge for his sacking, but for now im willing to give him time in the hope that he can get results on a consistent basis, if he does it by keeping 14 men behind the ball and hitting it long, then so be it. I do not watch Everton for entertainment, I watch Everton to see them win, thats all that will ever matter to me.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Because he's the other permanent manager we brought in to help us survive. In doing so he "had" to play a certain way to scrape points and that is what Lampard is doing now. If Allardyce was to have stayed he would have brought his players in and done different things (in theory, I obviously don't believe him) the same as we're claiming Lampard will now. And ultimately the first summer would have been a pretty clean break from the mess they inherited as far as starting their time in charge goes.

That means for me bringing in a new manager doesn't actually disrupt the timeline any. You're essentially starting over either way. This is the key point.

We're worse off now, but I think the situation is similar. Now of course Lampard has less history so it is easier to talk yourself into his upside going forward. I get that, I do it all the time myself with players. I'm just looking at our performances and I'm concerned. And we are starting over either way.

Nonsense.

Fat Sam played like that because that's his default, he inherited a team that played decent football most the time and made us play worse than what we currently play, but it got us a few 0:0 draws.

Yeah, we're starting over, so why not start over with someone who at least has a clue? Or should we go for ANOTHER new manager, who will prove to be out of his depth within 4 months and be sacked before Xmas again? Why not leave the guy in charge?

 

[DualityNSNO]

First of all, Lampard wasnt brought in to keep us up.

And Big Sam has had a 40 year career and only ever done it 1 way.

Lampard has shown with his Derby and Chelsea teams and initially here at Everton that he wants to do things differently.

But yeah, neither will bend here, as ive said, when I know for certain hes not the man for us, I will be leading the charge for his sacking, but for now im willing to give him time in the hope that he can get results on a consistent basis, if he does it by keeping 14 men behind the ball and hitting it long, then so be it. I do not watch Everton for entertainment, I watch Everton to see them win, thats all that will ever matter to me.

He hasn't by the way, but the last 5-6 or so years (or several jobs I guess) it's been that and nothing else, despite being a frontrunner for the technological revolution and having a team of data analysts perhaps before anyone else.

What a bizarre person, and that's without mentioning the gravy drinking, imagine...

 

[Goat]

Oh and something I noticed, Palace, for all the praise people on here want to give their recruitment and their manager, have only won the same amount of games as the worst Everton side in the history of football.

 

[marnie]

Lads............ Every time you use your fingers to type a reply to him. You could be knocking one out. Let that sink in.

 

[tommye]

and then we had some defeats...

 

[TheBigIguana]

Nonsense.

Fat Sam played like that because that's his default, he inherited a team that played decent football most the time and made us play worse than what we currently play, but it got us a few 0:0 draws.

Yeah, we're starting over, so why not start over with someone who at least has a clue? Or should we go for ANOTHER new manager, who will prove to be out of his depth within 4 months and be sacked before Xmas again? Why not leave the guy in charge?

Because this summer we're starting over either way.

But if Lampard isn't it he's going to be the one sacked by Christmas.

I think we should just look around again at the very least.