2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Bez2k2k]

We came 12th under him followed by 10th, Martinez did a better job, Marco Silva did, Ronlad Koeman did and David Moyes also did better then jpb then Carlo

Yeah not too bothered where we finished, as I say there were games we should have won under Carlo and we didn’t. But his win rate was brilliant and it just felt like a good time to be an Everton fan whilst the world went through covid. I will always cherish the memory of being in my mates for the derby game which we won. We sat and got hammered all day and night then I walked about 5 mile home at 2am - was just buzzing to finally beat them at Anfield.

 

[ProZ]

I think this pretty much sums up my opinion at the moment. But we need some results fast

The fact we keep sacking manager is the only reason he is still in a job and it is going to be detrimental to our survival.

We cannot just say oh he's crap but we can't keep sacking managers so let him just take us down on that basis.

 

[Bob Elstone]

I think this pretty much sums up my opinion at the moment. But we need some results fast

He’s not getting results against city or Brighton imo.

Ridiculous to keep him on based on results he’s delivered consistently over a period of time.

 

[Drico]

I know what you mean. But not having that process also means it’s a risk sacking him now. He showed once he can keep us up so for me I question the point of getting a so called firefighter in now to replace him. If a genuine top class manager is willing to come to us now then that’s a different story

It's a question of standards. Where is our baseline? Frank is not being asked to get us into Europe or win a cup. He was tasked this season with keeping us up without the heart attacks. He couldn't even manage that. So, while I agree - there is little point in the long run making a change if we hire a similar mediocrity and simply hope for the best - a proper club holds its employees to account. Obviously, we are not a proper club under this board, but there is no doubt that Frank is well under our baseline. He is under-performing. Now, we can risk a "remedial" course and give him the window to sort us out, or we can demand that our baseline is met and hire somebody we think can meet it. I am convinced that any decent football manager gets us to 13th or 14th. I am not convinced Frank Lampard does, no matter how much time he is given.

If the club thinks it can risk it with Frank, good luck to it. Maybe that patience will be rewarded. But it is surely just as likely to end in utter chaos and disaster. 34 points from 35 games - many of those containing Richarlison, who he can no longer rely on - is a very telling and significant sample size from which to draw conclusions. I really don't think we have the luxury of adding another 20 games to that sample size to be even more sure...

So, for me, Lampard is a dead man walking. It's all over bar the choreography. The key question is: can the club sign a serious manager with a body of work that engenders real confidence? If not, then any replacement is a punt - but surely one worth taking in the short term if only because Lampard has managed his way out of the job and taken any real mystery out of the question to his suitability. So, our survival depends on the board doing a Carlo...or at least getting lucky with the outcome of any new manager hunt. But this is our board, so, you know...

 

[Bob Elstone]

I don’t care what anyone says, Carlo was one of the best things to happen to Everton and as per usual we [Poor language removed] it up. Forget the house in Crosby, he should have been in Formby where the chance of a break in is small.

We should have given him whatever he wanted in order to improve the side. However, again, we messed it up. Sure we had games under him which we lost and we should have won and sure some of the games were boring etc but the guy was a winner. 22 games lost in 67.

Lampard has already lost 20 in only 39 games. Under Carlo we simply played a 4-3-3. We had Allan and Doucoure running the midfield with James floating in crosses and actually attacking the opposition. Digne was there also floating in crosses. Then, Carlo goes and basically the breaking of the squad begins;

Digne goes
James goes
Allan goes
Richy goes

In my opinion not one of them players has been replaced by a better player, none of them. We are a shambles.

But Carlo to me will forever be, so far, the best manager I have seen manage Everton. Hands down.

Well said.

 

[Billy Dean]

It's a question of standards. Where is our baseline? Frank is not being asked to get us into Europe or win a cup. He was tasked this season with keeping us up without the heart attacks. He couldn't even manage that. So, while I agree - there is little point in the long run making a change if we hire a similar mediocrity and simply hope for the best - a proper club holds its employees to account. Obviously, we are not a proper club under this board, but there is no doubt that Frank is well under our baseline. He is under-performing. Now, we can risk a "remedial" course and give him the window to sort us out, or we can demand that our baseline is met and hire somebody we think can meet it. I am convinced that any decent football manager gets us to 13th or 14th. I am not convinced Frank Lampard does, no matter how much time he is given.

If the club thinks it can risk it with Frank, good luck to it. Maybe that patience will be rewarded. But it is surely just as likely to end in utter chaos and disaster. 34 points from 35 games - many of those containing Richarlison, who he can no longer rely on - is a very telling and significant sample size from which to draw conclusions. I really don't think we have the luxury of adding another 20 games to that sample size to be even more sure...

So, for me, Lampard is a dead man walking. It's all over bar the choreography. The key question is: can the club sign a serious manager with a body of work that engenders real confidence? If not, then any replacement is a punt - but surely one worth taking if only becasue Lampard has managed his way out of the job. So, our survival depends on the board doing a Carlo...or at least getting lucky with the outcome of any new manager hunt. But this is our board, so, you know...

That would certainly be a worry for me, that they hire a diametrically opposite coach who can’t work with all the players we’ve recently bought

 

[Goat]

You very much can if you put the work in

Do you have any recent examples?

 

[DavidH]

I still don't think we go down, although it will be close again. I like Lampard but the worry is how far is he ever taking us? What sort of optimism does the summer bring (apart from another break from hell). The next choice is critical. I can't have another season like this. I'll go grey and start farting (loudly) in public.

 

[Nymzee]

Moyes used small fee to buy outstanding players.

Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Baines, Jags, Lescott…

When you have less to spend, you tend to spend more wisely. Most clubs including Everton have showcased this. Look at Forest.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Caicedo at Brighton was 5m

 

[Nymzee]

I don’t care if he’s a Tory or he’s a southerner or whatever but he really tried his hardest to connect with us and I’ll forever give him props to that. Sadly it’s looking like he just may not have enough talent to manage a frankly horrid toxic club but I really hope it somehow clicks. Sack him no, you can’t argue, but who’s next.

 

[Drico]

That would certainly be a worry for me, that they hire a diametrically opposite coach who can’t work with all the players we’ve recently bought

Well, if by diametrically opposite you mean...good, then I think they need to take that chance.

But seriously, I think anything we do - or don't do - now is a risk. Stick with Frank: huge risk. Sack Frank and get somebody else: huge risk.

It's about whether one believes in Frank or not. There is no science to this - other than his record of 34 points from 35 games. I have no confidence in him. He has had a full year. There have been mitigating circumstances, but we're being outperformed by clubs like Brentford, Bournemouth, and Fulham. Significantly so. We're losing to the statistically worst team in the division - at home and with a goal start. Mitigation does not go that far...

Sacking Lampard would, at any well-run club, be the logical next step. However, well-run clubs wouldn't have hired him in the first place. He got the Chelsea job purely and simply because he played for them - and was a club legend. That's EXACTLY what Everton tend to do. Is it any surprise he failed there just as he is failing here and just as most of our club legends fail with us in the end.

So, if people are nervous about sacking Frank, it's not because they seriously think, in general, that it is the wrong thing to do. It's because they are terrified what this abominably incompetent and venal board will do next. And I can't blame people for feeling like that, even if I think Frank is utterly out of his depth and the beneficiary of name recognition from his time as a player.

 

[Billy Dean]

Kenwright and Moshiri wanted to turn us into the Arsenal of the north but they’ve turned us into Sunderland

 

[Goat]

Caicedo at Brighton was 5m

We actually scouted that boy tho.

He rightly picked them ahead of us.

 

[PhilRegan]

Hes looked a beaten man for a while now