2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Dougie]

I actually agree.
But I am unsure whether it's fully tactics or the attack because our attack is disgraceful

It's so bad it actually confuses me as to what the game plan is

I refuse to believe frank is telling gray and Gordon to not pick their heads up for a pass or hold it up waiting for the overlap, but it's so frequent and never changes so what's the deal

It’s both. You look at the front 3 against wolves. McNeil small up front fee, Gordon youth product, and maupay 15 million but only paid a small up front free rest over his contract. Then you have grey who comes on who cost 1.5 million. Yeah you can find bargains but still you look at the total goals combined them 4 scored last season. Think it’s around 20 goals maybe 1-2 more in all comps. That’s just not enough to survive. Then you have DCL who cost 1 million now he been a bargain up in till his injuries. Instead of buying maupay and McNeil should have got 1 centre forward in who can score and has similar traits to dcl, as we seem to have based are whole season on a forward who has barley played in a season and half. Then as you said the tactics are just nothing. I can’t see what we are as football team. We don’t press, or counter we don’t pass around teams, we can’t defend properly. All these ingredients is simple relegation.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

A proper humiliation against City and it might be the end. If we lose to Brighton then it will be the end. Think the board were banking on us beating Wolves to buy him more time, as well they should as they were bottom and playing away from home.

They’ve had a nightmare not replacing him when we had a 6 week break.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Ultimately we will never achieve some form of stability on the pitch if we don’t have stability in the coaching staff.
We have been in a cycle of sacking managers and their staff with diminishing returns.
We have to give a manager room to fail if we want to find any form of success.
It is highly unlikely that any manager will come in and fix our mess in one season.

 

[overkill]

He should of gone after Bournemouth, didn't see the point in giving him the Wolves/ City/Brighton games for us to loose all 3 then sack him mid window with games coming fast.

 

[overkill]

Ultimately we will never achieve some form of stability on the pitch if we don’t have stability in the coaching staff.
We have been in a cycle of sacking managers and their staff with diminishing returns.
We have to give a manager room to fail if we want to find any form of success.
It is highly unlikely that any manager will come in and fix our mess in one season.

But even more unlikely we'll get enough points with our current set up

 

[Drico]

He should of gone after Bournemouth, didn't see the point in giving him the Wolves/ City/Brighton games for us to loose all 3 then sack him mid window with games coming fast.

I said that too, back in November, but to do that you had to have the courage of your convictions and back your judgement. Essentially, you had to be proactive - which, of course, is something our board simply are not. They always react. If we lose 8-0 at City, they will react. If we lose 3-0, they'll sit on their hands and wait for the Brighton bile-fest. If we lose that and it gets ugly in the stands, they might react. They will limp along for as long as they can get away with it. But when the head-bangers are coming from Kenwright in the stand, they'll take action. Sad, but true.

 

[overkill]

I said that too, back in November, but to do that you had to have the courage of your convictions and back your judgement. Essentially, you had to be proactive - which, of course, is something our board simply are not. They always react. If we lose 8-0 at City, they will react. If we lose 3-0, they'll sit on their hands and wait for the Brighton bile-fest. If we lose that and it gets ugly in the stands, they might react. They will limp along for as long as they can get away with it. But when the head-bangers are coming from Kenwright in the stand, they'll take action. Sad, but true.

It was so obvious back in November that was the right time to sack him, Yet the board and about half of our fanbase couldn't see it.

If he gets to end of January and were bottom of the league and he's still here he might as well stay then.
As we'd already be down at that point appointing a new manager then would be like when west brom got alladyce, they were already too far gone

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

But even more unlikely we'll get enough points with our current set up

If we sack Lampard a new face and his team come we maybe get a bounce to safety. But then he sets about attempting to impose his systems and the disruption and poor results follow again.
It’s all subjective, none of us can confidently predict the future, for me it’s time to stick.
( Unless the board are willing to be bold and appoint Gallardo of course ,but they would never have the courage to do that,
so I’ll stick with Frank)

 

[overkill]

If we sack Lampard a new face and his team come we maybe get a bounce to safety. But then he sets about attempting to impose his systems and the disruption and poor results follow again.
It’s all subjective, none of us can confidently predict the future, for me it’s time to stick.
( Unless the board are willing to be bold and appoint Gallardo of course ,but they would never have the courage to do that,
so I’ll stick with Frank)

If we stick with Frank well just go down, I'd rather stay in the league.

 

[Drico]

It was so obvious back in November that was the right time to sack him, Yet the board and about half of our fanbase couldn't see it.

If he gets to end of January and were bottom of the league and he's still here he might as well stay then.
As we'd already be down at that point appointing a new manager then would be like when west brom got alladyce, they were already too far gone

Yeah, if he's not gone at the latest on the night of the Brighton game, let him take us down. Too late to act then and any replacement will be more of the same with no benefit of a six-week World Cup break or a full transfer window.

I'm resigned to relegation. The survival instinct in me is still kicking up demanding a last shot at redemption by getting in a new manager now and buying some forwards, but it gets weaker with each passing day and I start to think that going down is what is deserved.

 

[Ian]

Frank has a much better win rate with us than Martinez had in his last two seasons at our club….

No, he doesn't. He has a worse win percentage (26.5% FL v 30.3% RM) and a much worse loss percentage (53% FL v 36.8% RM). Factor in Bobby's first season and the differences are wider. Martinez' last 2 seasons were very poor and he was justifiably sacked, in spite of his first season (our best overall since the 80s) and a couple of good cup / European runs.

 

[Drico]

If we sack Lampard a new face and his team come we maybe get a bounce to safety. But then he sets about attempting to impose his systems and the disruption and poor results follow again.
It’s all subjective, none of us can confidently predict the future, for me it’s time to stick.
( Unless the board are willing to be bold and appoint Gallardo of course ,but they would never have the courage to do that,
so I’ll stick with Frank)

Thing is, disruption is precisely what's needed because what Lampard has put in place needs to be ripped up and rethought. It's not like we are a purring away needing a few tweaks. We're simply not good enough. We need a different approach - and some new players.

 

[hktoffee]

Yeah, if he's not gone at the latest on the night of the Brighton game, let him take us down. Too late to act then and any replacement will be more of the same with no benefit of a six-week World Cup break or a full transfer window.

I'm resigned to relegation. The survival instinct in me is still kicking up demanding a last shot at redemption by getting in a new manager now and buying some forwards, but it gets weaker with each passing day and I start to think that going down is what is deserved.

If the stats convince us we can stay up then he should stay but with 16 games gone, this isn’t the case.

 

[Ian]

One of the key issues for me is that we'll be even less likely to attract a really good manager if it's later in the season and we're bottom of the league. Had we got someone in during the world cup break, the potential candidates might have felt they had a fair shot of turning it around.

 

[Lob]

If we stick with Frank well just go down, I'd rather stay in the league.

There is no doubt in my mind. They just had a 6 week break (Or holiday more like) to sort out the problems and then came back and got beat by the worst team in the league at home. If he stays in charge we are definitely going down no matter how many strikers they get him in January. We have conceded 11 goals in the last 4 games which no amount of strikers will resolve. Nice bloke but a really poor manager. One of the worst we have ever had.