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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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Honestly, people suggesting that they're perfectly fine with the idea of us extending our winless run to 7 games by failing to win a home game against the 10th best team in the league is hurting my head. I've never been one to give it the NSNO big one but this is letting standards slip too far even for me. People should remember this next time they want to claim the fanbase is toxic and too difficult to please.
 
The draw against City certainly hasn't saved his job and nor should it. When you have been as poor as we have been this season i.e won just 3 games out of the first 17, every game has the potential to be your last one. There has to be some continuity or it makes the previous singular result meaningless. Need a good performance tonight and in all of the forth coming games. There has to be some progress no matter how gradual. We need a decent run and a decent window.
 
No, I wouldn't be disappointed. If we got a draw against S'ton I would be. Brighton are well capable of pummelling us if we give them half a chance.

We have to be patient and not push for the win, allow them the ball to make mistakes and we (theoretically) can cash in.

If we had a decent striker right now I'd back us heavily to convert a chance or two against their releatively weak defence, but we dont.

I hope for a narrow win; but I'd accept a draw.
Mate your are heavily overstating how good brighton are here. Especially away from home.

They should never in a million years "pummel" us at home, regardless of how bad we are.
 
Honestly, people suggesting that they're perfectly fine with the idea of us extending our winless run to 7 games by failing to win a home game against the 10th best team in the league is hurting my head. I've never been one to give it the NSNO big one but this is letting standards slip too far even for me. People should remember this next time they want to claim the fanbase is toxic and too difficult to please.

I’m not fine with the idea at all, I want us to win…badly. I’m just extremely wary about anything that implies we ‘should’ win or we ‘expect’ to win. We just have no basis for that expectation seeing as we’re one of the worst clubs in the league at the moment. Even when we were decent I’d never want to say that because any team in the league can shock anyone as we’ve just seen with Brentford beating City at the Etihad and then us smash and grabbing a point.

If we play well, we can win, same way we did against Palace. If we’re not at that level then any team in this league is capable of punishing us at Goodison especially Brighton who are decent.

We’re getting into the ‘have’ to win territory though so coyb.
 

Mate your are heavily overstating how good brighton are here. Especially away from home.

They should never in a million years "pummel" us at home, regardless of how bad we are.
If we go toe for toe they'll pummel us. We cant afford that game because we have no regular scorers.

We wont be pummeled if we play conservativley as we did on Saturday against City. If we do that I believe there's something there for us.

The days when we could sweep aside Brighton are shelved for the foseeable.

That's where we are right now, and anyone who thinks we still can aren't paying attention.
 
If we go toe for toe they'll pummel us. We cant afford that game because we have no regular scorers.

We wont be pummeled if we play conservativley as we did on Saturday against City. If we do that I believe there's something there for us.

The days when we could sweep aside Brighton are shelved for the foseeable.

That's where we are right now, and anyone who thinks we still can aren't paying attention.
No they won't, becuase they themselves don't have a regular goalscorer, they have trossard who has about 6.

I agree they are currently the better team, but they are still a bang average team.

Again I agree we should play a certain way like we did Vs city, however id still be disappointed if we didn't win a home game under the lights Vs Brighton, and I think most Everton fans attending tonight would feel the same.
 
No they won't, becuase they themselves don't have a regular goalscorer, they have trossard who has about 6.

I agree they are currently the better team, but they are still a bang average team.

Again I agree we should play a certain way like we did Vs city, however id still be disappointed if we didn't win a home game under the lights Vs Brighton, and I think most Everton fans attending tonight would feel the same.
That's our problem as a relegation threatened team then.

No other bottom club faces such expectations. That's why they'll be helped to dig out the points they require to get out of the mess they're in and we'll just wilt.

Those scenes at GP last season in the run in...that worked because those fans expected NOTHING. They knew that the team is poor and needed help - not sunk by the weight of expectation.

That's the only route out of the mess this time too. We dont need pyro and mobbed coaches on Goodison Road. We just need fans realism.
 

That's our problem as a relegation threatened team then.

No other bottom club faces such expectations. That's why they'll be helped to dig out the points they require to get out of the mess they're in and we'll just wilt.

Those scenes at GP last season in the run in...that worked because those fans expected NOTHING. They knew that the team is poor and needed help - not sunk by the weight of expectation.

That's the only route out of the mess this time too. We dont need pyro and mobbed coaches on Goodison Road. We just need fans realism.
So much wrong with this

You think teams like west ham and wolves fans don't expect wins at home Vs certain teams?. Your wrong, they do hence why they have both been booed off this season.

Again in regards to last season, so wrong again, take palace for example you think our fans didn't expect to win that game going into it? Mate you couldn't be any further from the truth.

Realism is needed at times, I wouldn't expect us to win a home game Vs one of the top 6/7 and some fans probably would, but most teams in this league is expect us to beat at home, we won't of course do that, but we should expect it.
 
That's our problem as a relegation threatened team then.

No other bottom club faces such expectations. That's why they'll be helped to dig out the points they require to get out of the mess they're in and we'll just wilt.

Those scenes at GP last season in the run in...that worked because those fans expected NOTHING. They knew that the team is poor and needed help - not sunk by the weight of expectation.

That's the only route out of the mess this time too. We dont need pyro and mobbed coaches on Goodison Road. We just need fans realism.

We still have a large part of the fan base that believes this is a top ten side that with a bit of motivation can get back up there and maybe with a manager change can challenge for europe again. Allardyce fluking 8th place from that season was the worst thing that could happen for fuelling their fire. That team was trash and deserved to be right in the bottom half and it’s not been much better since bar a few bright spots here and there under Silva and Ancelotti.

Last season should have been a wake up call. There’s no James Siggurdson or Rooney to see us past a few bottom half teams at home and get us up the table. No Osman Pienaar Barry to play a bit of football and see us past a few teams as we did under the back end of Martinez.

We had a defence that was probably the worst in the league player for player once Mina got injured (Coleman Keane Holgate Kenny)

A midfield that was one paced with zero skill

An injured strike force with our only star quality being Richarlison who was in and out of fitness all season until the end.


We’ve dramatically improved the defence in my view, but the midfield whilst being a bit quicker is equally poor on the ball, but the main difference is we have a pop gun attack now with our main hope being the return of an increasingly average DCL. We’ve got no go-to player to win a game for us from an attacking sense which we’ve had pretty much every season I can remember watching us. There’s no James Richarlison Rooney Lukaku Cahill or even Ferguson type figure to bail us out in this squad.

We are a bottom half side whose route to survival is accumulating points through being miserly and playing on the counter attack or edging games by a goal. We haven’t got the players to do anything else unless we invest heavily in Jan. When you edge games though sometimes these are going to go against you. We simply cannot open up though as we’re not going to be on the good side of a 3-2 or 4-3 with this attack.

Play to our strengths, get the points, I don’t care if it’s a load of draws, just stay in the league, improve the strike force in January and in the summer, start again next season. It’s painful but that’s where we are. Most of the midfield and forward players just aren’t at the required standard.
 
We still have a large part of the fan base that believes this is a top ten side that with a bit of motivation can get back up there and maybe with a manager change can challenge for europe again. Allardyce fluking 8th place from that season was the worst thing that could happen for fuelling their fire. That team was trash and deserved to be right in the bottom half and it’s not been much better since bar a few bright spots here and there under Silva and Ancelotti.

Last season should have been a wake up call. There’s no James Siggurdson or Rooney to see us past a few bottom half teams at home and get us up the table. No Osman Pienaar Barry to play a bit of football and see us past a few teams as we did under the back end of Martinez.

We had a defence that was probably the worst in the league player for player once Mina got injured (Coleman Keane Holgate Kenny)

A midfield that was one paced with zero skill

An injured strike force with our only star quality being Richarlison who was in and out of fitness all season until the end.


We’ve dramatically improved the defence in my view, but the midfield whilst being a bit quicker is equally poor on the ball, but the main difference is we have a pop gun attack now with our main hope being the return of an increasingly average Dominic Calvert-Lewin. We’ve got no go-to player to win a game for us from an attacking sense which we’ve had pretty much every season I can remember watching us. There’s no James Richarlison Rooney Lukaku Cahill or even Ferguson type figure to bail us out in this squad.

We are a bottom half side whose route to survival is accumulating points through being miserly and playing on the counter attack or edging games by a goal. We haven’t got the players to do anything else unless we invest heavily in Jan. When you edge games though sometimes these are going to go against you. We simply cannot open up though as we’re not going to be on the good side of a 3-2 or 4-3 with this attack.

Play to our strengths, get the points, I don’t care if it’s a load of draws, just stay in the league, improve the strike force in January and in the summer, start again next season. It’s painful but that’s where we are. Most of the midfield and forward players just aren’t at the required standard.
Everyone on the forum please read this post. ^^^^^
 
So much wrong with this

You think teams like west ham and wolves fans don't expect wins at home Vs certain teams?. Your wrong, they do hence why they have both been booed off this season.

Again in regards to last season, so wrong again, take palace for example you think our fans didn't expect to win that game going into it? Mate you couldn't be any further from the truth.

Realism is needed at times, I wouldn't expect us to win a home game Vs one of the top 6/7 and some fans probably would, but most teams in this league is expect us to beat at home, we won't of course do that, but we should expect it.
West Ham and Wolves haven't seen their team degraded in the last two seasons. They have technically sound players, and some of those can win games pretty much single handed. That doesn't apply to us.

I do hope that courageous point away from home to the champions hasn't blinded too many to this simple fact: we are right in this dogfight until May.
 
Everyone on the forum please read this post. ^^^^^
we've beaten leeds 3-0, brentford 4-1 and palace 3-0 at home under lampard

the problem is that these kind of results happen maybe once every 15 games

to suggest that this current squad is only capable of scraping past teams by the odd goal is simply untrue

the problem has been not replacing richarlison properly leaving us with an injured DCL and maupay as our only options which is simply not good enough

not many people are suggesting we are a top 10 team, i would have been happy with 12th or 13th. This squad should not be fighting relegation every season with the amount of money spent on it.
 

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