2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Simon Buttle]

Any negative club post, on and off the field can be be attributed to board in some way. It's tedious seeing every post saying bill this and Moshiri that by the same tedious group of posters.

It maybe a bit repetitive but its them that are the root cause of our problems, sacking the manager makes no difference to us. We might get a short term lift from a new face but ultimately the problems are not going away until changes are made in how the club is being run from the top down. The fact that even Kenwrights best friends at the Echo have devoted their front page to it today tells you something.

 

[Mark Bisson]

I'm still unsure how much better people think we should be doing when like you say, there are no goals in the side.

Let's just go through them so everyone can see we aren't making numbers up

Between the whole of the back line of Coleman, Patterson, Mykolenko, Vinagre, Godfrey, Holgate, Tarkowski, Mina, Keane and Coady.....we have 2 goals (Mina and Coady)

Between the whole of the midfield of Iwobi, Davies, Doucoure, Gana, Garner and Onana.....we have 1 goal (Iwobi)

Between the wingers of Gray, Mcneil, Gordon....we have 8 (3 for Gordon, 3 for Gray and 2 for Mcneil)

Between the strikers of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Maupay.....we have 2.

Can someone tell me where the goals are coming from? Full backs don't score, midfield doesn't score and barely creates and the 2 main strikers on our books have a goal each nearly halfway through the season.

I think 6 is the best goals return Gray has ever done in his career, 3 is Mcneils best, what was Gordon last season? 5? Has Maupay ever gone past 10 in the PL? Looks like he won't get to 5. Iwobi? What's the most he's ever scored in a season, 3? Onana and Gana don't look like they've got 5 Between them.

So yes, sack Lampard by all means but no one should be expecting a miracle as goals don't just magically appear, you need quality players for that.

Imagine where we would be without Gray this season.

 

[Lanolin]

And there in lies the problem - who is next for us? Who would you choose?

Remember Lampard was the preferred choice of the fans and the board agreed.

I don't know where this weird myth has sprouted up from. Lampard was - just about - the preferred choice of fans out of a 3 man shortlist which included him, a coach who had never managed before, and an out of work mercenary who had never managed in any of the top 5 leagues and has taken and already been sacked from another job since then. He was not the man the fans wanted, he was the man the fans didn't want the least.

 

[The Binman]

Well we are in free fall if you ask me….

 

[andy4efc]

Any negative club post, on and off the field can be be attributed to board in some way. It's tedious seeing every post saying bill this and Moshiri that by the same tedious group of posters.

There is zero defence for them. I dont think anyone (or very few) have said Lampard is excused of blame, but ultimately there is a rot in this club. David Moyes did an excellent job of hiding that rot, but it's been there for a long, long time, for almost my entire lifetime of 32 years.

Bill Kenwright has made that rot worse for his own selfish gain. He has no reason, qualification to be at the club. His decision to sell to Moshiri, as self proclaimed biggest blue, was ludacrous. He has dismissed buyers because he wouldn't be chairman, yet accepted Moshiri because he was foolish enough to let him stay.

Lampard isnt blameless.
The coaches/management team of the football 11 are not blameless.
The board are not blameless.
CEO isnt blameless,

It is a mountain of problems but if change doesnt happen at the top, then the culture of the football club doesn't change.

 

[Toff33Blues99]

It maybe a bit repetitive but its them that are the root cause of our problems, sacking the manager makes no difference to us. We might get a short term lift from a new face but ultimately the problems are not going away until changes are made in how the club is being run from the top down. The fact that even Kenwrights best friends at the Echo have devoted their front page to it today tells you something.

That's just utter nonsense. Ridiculous to suggest a manager doesn't have an effect.

 

[sd_1992]

I'm still unsure how much better people think we should be doing when like you say, there are no goals in the side.

Let's just go through them so everyone can see we aren't making numbers up

Between the whole of the back line of Coleman, Patterson, Mykolenko, Vinagre, Godfrey, Holgate, Tarkowski, Mina, Keane and Coady.....we have 2 goals (Mina and Coady)

Between the whole of the midfield of Iwobi, Davies, Doucoure, Gana, Garner and Onana.....we have 1 goal (Iwobi)

Between the wingers of Gray, Mcneil, Gordon....we have 8 (3 for Gordon, 3 for Gray and 2 for Mcneil)

Between the strikers of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Maupay.....we have 2.

Can someone tell me where the goals are coming from? Full backs don't score, midfield doesn't score and barely creates and the 2 main strikers on our books have a goal each nearly halfway through the season.

I think 6 is the best goals return Gray has ever done in his career, 3 is Mcneils best, what was Gordon last season? 5? Has Maupay ever gone past 10 in the PL? Looks like he won't get to 5. Iwobi? What's the most he's ever scored in a season, 3? Onana and Gana don't look like they've got 5 Between them.

So yes, sack Lampard by all means but no one should be expecting a miracle as goals don't just magically appear, you need quality players for that.

Amazing how shocked people are when we have spent the last two year systematically driving out anyone who contributes to goals from the club.

Over that period we have sold Dinge, James and Richarlison, replaced them with Mykolenko and McNeil and yet still people expect us to be anything other than relegation fodder.

But sure let’s have our annual bloodletting and some vague promise of change from the board whilst we sail towards the championship.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm still unsure how much better people think we should be doing when like you say, there are no goals in the side.

Let's just go through them so everyone can see we aren't making numbers up

Between the whole of the back line of Coleman, Patterson, Mykolenko, Vinagre, Godfrey, Holgate, Tarkowski, Mina, Keane and Coady.....we have 2 goals (Mina and Coady)

Between the whole of the midfield of Iwobi, Davies, Doucoure, Gana, Garner and Onana.....we have 1 goal (Iwobi)

Between the wingers of Gray, Mcneil, Gordon....we have 8 (3 for Gordon, 3 for Gray and 2 for Mcneil)

Between the strikers of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Maupay.....we have 2.

Can someone tell me where the goals are coming from? Full backs don't score, midfield doesn't score and barely creates and the 2 main strikers on our books have a goal each nearly halfway through the season.

I think 6 is the best goals return Gray has ever done in his career, 3 is Mcneils best, what was Gordon last season? 5? Has Maupay ever gone past 10 in the PL? Looks like he won't get to 5. Iwobi? What's the most he's ever scored in a season, 3? Onana and Gana don't look like they've got 5 Between them.

So yes, sack Lampard by all means but no one should be expecting a miracle as goals don't just magically appear, you need quality players for that.

Exactly. We also played fine-margins, defensive football earlier in the season and couldn't get points either.

I'm not saying Lampard deserves to stay, his record is awful.

But this team lacks any quality and that means that teams don't have to fear us. If all we can do is defend in a low block, that's not sustainable either.

 

[badloaf]

There is zero defence for them. I dont think anyone (or very few) have said Lampard is excused of blame, but ultimately there is a rot in this club. David Moyes did an excellent job of hiding that rot, but it's been there for a long, long time, for almost my entire lifetime of 32 years.

Bill Kenwright has made that rot worse for his own selfish gain. He has no reason, qualification to be at the club. His decision to sell to Moshiri, as self proclaimed biggest blue, was ludacrous. He has dismissed buyers because he wouldn't be chairman, yet accepted Moshiri because he was foolish enough to let him stay.

Lampard isnt blameless.
The coaches/management team of the football 11 are not blameless.
The board are not blameless.
CEO isnt blameless,

It is a mountain of problems but if change doesnt happen at the top, then the culture of the football club doesn't change.

More than anything we need a new CEO. Someone who comes in and changes everything for one purpose - to help us win games. Forget about attracting fans in Taiwan or selling vintage kits, get everyone in the entire business focused on helping the team win. It’s what they did at St Helens RFL in the early 2000s and they cleaned the board of trophies after that. I know it’s not a directly comparable league but the principal is the same. Get a tough CEO who won’t have any sentiment about the club but will make us competitive.

 

[Lanolin]

I'm still unsure how much better people think we should be doing when like you say, there are no goals in the side.

Let's just go through them so everyone can see we aren't making numbers up

Between the whole of the back line of Coleman, Patterson, Mykolenko, Vinagre, Godfrey, Holgate, Tarkowski, Mina, Keane and Coady.....we have 2 goals (Mina and Coady)

Between the whole of the midfield of Iwobi, Davies, Doucoure, Gana, Garner and Onana.....we have 1 goal (Iwobi)

Between the wingers of Gray, Mcneil, Gordon....we have 8 (3 for Gordon, 3 for Gray and 2 for Mcneil)

Between the strikers of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Maupay.....we have 2.

Can someone tell me where the goals are coming from? Full backs don't score, midfield doesn't score and barely creates and the 2 main strikers on our books have a goal each nearly halfway through the season.

I think 6 is the best goals return Gray has ever done in his career, 3 is Mcneils best, what was Gordon last season? 5? Has Maupay ever gone past 10 in the PL? Looks like he won't get to 5. Iwobi? What's the most he's ever scored in a season, 3? Onana and Gana don't look like they've got 5 Between them.

So yes, sack Lampard by all means but no one should be expecting a miracle as goals don't just magically appear, you need quality players for that.

Most people appreciate that and I don't think many people think Lampard is holding back a top 10 side who will suddenly shoot up the table. It's just whether he's getting the best out of what we've got, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to believe that he is. I've got to the point where I think he should be sacked but i'm not going mad that he hasn't been because I fully understand that the problems run much deeper than him and sacking him wouldn't be a magic bullet. For me he just hasn't shown any tactical nous or signs of good coaching to suggest he can turn it around. There's been no attempt to mitigate the lack of goals scored by setting up defensively and trying to make ourselves tough to beat, or go (proper) long ball in an attempt to get a foothold and cause problems etc, we just turn up every week playing the same formation and have the same problems. It's basically just a case for me of saying this isn't working and doesn't look like it's going to, at least someone else who came in might just squeeze enough out of what we have to drag us over the line.

 

[andy4efc]

More than anything we need a new CEO. Someone who comes in and changes everything for one purpose - to help us win games. Forget about attracting fans in Taiwan or selling vintage kits, get everyone in the entire business focused on helping the team win. It’s what they did at St Helens RFL in the early 2000s and they cleaned the board of trophies after that. I know it’s not a directly comparable league but the principal is the same. Get a tough CEO who won’t have any sentiment about the club but will make us competitive.

Nothing wrong with having focus on developing hte brand in other areas. Doesnt link in to first team matters at all, and revenue brought in with other areas helps the club.

But we have an owner who hasnt a clue about football.
We have a chairman who is holding on to the train set and also has very little clue about football.
We have a CEO who doesnt have a football club background, and despite her good work for Charity, it doesnt qualify her to run a big football business.

I know Simon Jordan is a bit of a meff at times on Talksport, and I'm not shouting for him to be our CEO, but how he approaches things is correct for someone who is running a football club.

 

[Toff33Blues99]

There is zero defence for them. I dont think anyone (or very few) have said Lampard is excused of blame, but ultimately there is a rot in this club. David Moyes did an excellent job of hiding that rot, but it's been there for a long, long time, for almost my entire lifetime of 32 years.

Bill Kenwright has made that rot worse for his own selfish gain. He has no reason, qualification to be at the club. His decision to sell to Moshiri, as self proclaimed biggest blue, was ludacrous. He has dismissed buyers because he wouldn't be chairman, yet accepted Moshiri because he was foolish enough to let him stay.

Lampard isnt blameless.
The coaches/management team of the football 11 are not blameless.
The board are not blameless.
CEO isnt blameless,

It is a mountain of problems but if change doesnt happen at the top, then the culture of the football club doesn't change.

This is what I mean by tedious. Bill hasn't owned the club for 6 yrs yet remains public enemy n°1, its absolutely ridiculous. And while we were are at, under Bill we were run efficiently. Unless you would hate the days of regular top 7 finishes, a top 4 spot and good cup runs

 

[Simon Buttle]

That's just utter nonsense. Ridiculous to suggest a manager doesn't have an effect.

If you think a new manager solves the issues that are wrong with with Everton Football Club then that's up to you.

 

[Toff33Blues99]

If you think a new manager solves the issues that are wrong with with Everton Football Club then that's up to you.

Not stated anything of the sort

 

[blueblue]

The thing is people say he's underperforming, but he really isn't. This squad is absolutely AWFUL.

However, we clearly need a manager who is capable of overperforming and getting every single ounce of the players. Right now unfortunately it looks like Lampard can't do that, and it's a massive shame because he's been the one good thing about this club in the last year - not that I ever thought he was a particularly good manager, but he truly has bought into the club, understands the issues, and truly has tried his very best. Should be prerequisites but that's not always been the case at Everton, has it.

But regardless, Everton are down if they don't make significant signings in this window. One, at the very least, should have been through the door already. It's pathetic. And none of that is on Lampard.

That isn't completely true. He did bring eight players into the club during the summer.

I think he may be over estimating what he thinks he can get out of this bunch of players. I think he needs to go back to the City game as a template.

I think Everton will play well against Utd in the cup because they will again be forced into a more defensive game plan because of the quality of the opposition.