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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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DavidH said:
You might be right but still, what's the point in bringing a new man in to take 3 beatings in his opening games. He'll have people after his throat 3 weeks into the job.
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There's no right formula here. Imagine the new manager came in and got three defeats against 'beatable' teams?
 
davek said:
There's no right formula here. Imagine the new manager came in and got three defeats against 'beatable' teams?
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Fair comment. But that would show it's the players not the manager. I don't think he's lost the dressing room like Silva etc but the noise around the club is awful for the players. The pressure is too much. Coady, Tarkowski, Coleman, Pickford should all be stepping up and helping lead the rest. I'd get rid of Calvert-Lewin and Davies right now. And Gordon if the money was offered (We turned down 60 million for this lad?!) I can't stand their attitudes. God knows who we bring in.
I mentioned it in another thread but Chris Wood doesn't seem to be getting any game time at Newcastle, go for him in loan. Anyone who is tough with a bit of nouse. I don't know. I'm not getting any work done today and it's all Everton's fault.
 
nsno-chris said:
But you said we chose Frank when we clearly didn’t.

It was basically a sealed job for Pierara until, like an absolute lunatic, he phoned up Sky Sports and gave a monumental speech.

They had 2 candidates, him and Frank. We had no say over anything.

When an owner sacks manager they normally have a plan, for the 3rd time in 6 years the owner showed he has no idea.
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Exactly a small group of divvys spray that and it influences the owner and board, idiotic. Not gonna lie, I was in the camp of Lampard over Pereira but I was also camp surely there is someone better.
 

DrEFC said:
This is the crux. You simply don't get this 'unlucky', they're badly coached and prepared.
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I really want him to succeed like many of us do but he needs to do something different very very soon.

Put it this way he can’t complain if he gets fired. We have to look at and think is this the maximum these group of players are capable of? They’re better than the the league position not by much but they are.
 
DavidH said:
Fair comment. But that would show it's the players not the manager. I don't think he's lost the dressing room like Silva etc but the noise around the club is awful for the players. The pressure is too much. Coady, Tarkowski, Coleman, Pickford should all be stepping up and helping lead the rest. I'd get rid of Calvert-Lewin and Davies right now. And Gordon if the money was offered (We turned down 60 million for this lad?!) I can't stand their attitudes. God knows who we bring in.
I mentioned it in another thread but Chris Wood doesn't seem to be getting any game time at Newcastle, go for him in loan. Anyone who is tough with a bit of nouse. I don't know. I'm not getting any work done today and it's all Everton's fault.
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I think the manager has underlined that he's capabale of being the mate of these players when we need them to have a disciplinarian in charge...and someone who can get them into a pattern of play they stick with for the remainder of the season.

These players aren't capable of switching between styles. But I;ve seen enough over the last two seasons to suggest that if you tell them to sit deep and grind out a draw against the odds or even snatch a win they can do it.

There's no hope for us if we tell our players to go out and win games. That's what FL will continually do - apart from against teams like City, Liverpool etc.
 
davek said:
There's no right formula here. Imagine the new manager came in and got three defeats against 'beatable' teams?
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Think this is a strange comment. Of course any manager could come in and lose games, however it’s kind of well known that when you change a manager you get that little jump start where all of a sudden everyone starts playing football again.

I’m not for sacking anyone, however if you don’t perform in your job I’m all for sacking and starting again. Sacking a manager after a random defeat is stupid, sacking a manager who has won 8 games in 42 wouldn’t be an incorrect decision.

His tactics and formations are frankly poor. He has shown nothing to anyone that suggests he can continue as the Everton manager. We have been beaten by bottom of the league teams on three occasions this season….. AT HOME. You have to win your home games to at least have a chance.

There are managers out there that would do a better job. Dyche is one of them. Frank had to go. If I would have had it my way he would have been gone after the two defeats to Bournemouth, completely unacceptable. Yet we have left it and left it and now we are in serious trouble. Bournemouth haven’t won a game since. Leicester haven’t performed since. We are just stuck and until the Frank Lampard glue is removed we will continue to be stuck.
 
JLW said:
Lampard has to be getting more from the players available to him, I know some of them are gash but we should be performing better.
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This is it, really.

The only player who progressed under Lampard is Iwobi and that was because he was utterly terrible beforehand, and he has now reverted back to being ineffective.

Every other player has gone backwards.
 

Bez2k2k said:
Think this is a strange comment. Of course any manager could come in and lose games, however it’s kind of well known that when you change a manager you get that little jump start where all of a sudden everyone starts playing football again.

I’m not for sacking anyone, however if you don’t perform in your job I’m all for sacking and starting again. Sacking a manager after a random defeat is stupid, sacking a manager who has won 8 games in 42 wouldn’t be an incorrect decision.

His tactics and formations are frankly poor. He has shown nothing to anyone that suggests he can continue as the Everton manager. We have been beaten by bottom of the league teams on three occasions this season….. AT HOME. You have to win your home games to at least have a chance.

There are managers out there that would do a better job. Dyche is one of them. Frank had to go. If I would have had it my way he would have been gone after the two defeats to Bournemouth, completely unacceptable. Yet we have left it and left it and now we are in serious trouble. Bournemouth haven’t won a game since. Leicester haven’t performed since. We are just stuck and until the Frank Lampard glue is removed we will continue to be stuck.
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I think the reverse: if you go in and get a result against a decent team that's rocket fuel for a new manager.

When Lampard came in he got the cup win over Brentford then we fell flat on our faces in the PL at Newcastle and Spurs.

I'm not sure of this immediate bounce stuff.

I think we need a new face for another reason too: we need all to get behind some figure wo can offer us hope. Because no one is trusted right now and it's killing us.
 
Just don’t think he’s got it as stop level manager. The tactics are bizarre, can’t make a sub to change a game and the players look like they don’t know what they are doing. All comes from the coaching setup.

I can see West Ham doing us comfortably about 3-0, 4-0, if he is still in charge. We won’t win a game with Frank.
 
davek said:
I think the reverse: if you go in and get a result against a decent team that's rocket fuel for a new manager.

When Lampard came in he got the cup win over Brentford then we fell flat on our faces in the PL at Newcastle and Spurs.

I'm not sure of this immediate bounce stuff.

I think we need a new face for another reason too: we need all to get behind some figure wo can offer us hope. Because no one is trusted right now and it's killing us.
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Most teams get one, but we never did; which says a lot about Frank's influence.
 

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