Then yeh his job is a lot harder. I still don't like givings managers complete free passes though. We've seen managers do a bit with very little (Allardyce etc.)
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Then yeh his job is a lot harder. I still don't like givings managers complete free passes though. We've seen managers do a bit with very little (Allardyce etc.)
I don't think we've ever had a manager with this chronic lack of goals in their squad. He's got an extremely hard job. Even Allardyce was given the short term boost of £50m to bring in Walcott and Tosun who each scored a few to get us up the table.
I think expectations are still too high, and talk of top half finishes etc needs nipped right in the bud.
Unless something very significant happens in the next 9/10 days, then I see 17th or above as the goal this season. If we stay up it will have been a decent job by the manager.
But unless we start making significant changes to our recruitment, to how we are ran off the field, or start finding one of two stars in the academy, then we are eventually going to run out of room in this league. You can't forever rely on there being 3 slightly more crap teams.
He's said he's staying at Rennes regardless but no he is not a striker, he is a wide forward... so he'd be replacing Richarlison and Gordon.
That's the goal even if we sign forwards for me.
sdk
Player Valuation: £35m
Where's the frittata money, Bill??
EGWToffee
Player Valuation: £6m
I think it’s pretty clear to every rational fan that the objective is to stay up.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
Tim, It's only a certain "core group" of posters who are demanding we finish in the top half (I think you know exactly who I mean) We just need to get a few more bodies in, get them into their roles and start trying to pick up a few results and going on a run of games or two.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
Not sure I agree with that. He's gone on record as saying he pushed for the signings of Tarkowski and Onana in particular. We're in an age of DOFs now but managers or head coaches will still be involved in the process. They're not just having players put on plates for them by their Boards.
nonstripdzebra
Player Valuation: £1m
The idea that we enter next season with Lampard I also think is unlikely. But I also think factoring the potential replacements when available if there are doubts internally I think are at least worth noting. The available manager pool right now Id argue is stronger than it has been in the past if there is a midseason change. Adi Hutter, Marco Rose, Pepe Bordalas are all personally very engaging for us specifically. Considering Thelwell came in after Frank I think its also fair to note as maybe imperfect. The reality is if their is a lack of belief, you do want to be early rather than late to approaching available names.
In my opinion this isn't really a serious conversation till late fall. I don't think Frank should be fired right now, my doubts are maybe still based on not fully understanding his initial appointment than the present results. Regardless of those prior views, he will have to be judged post the transfer deadline. Its early in the season and the results are not that far from what I would have expected. The ground has to settle.
It's important to also note at least for me despite those questions and ultimately likely preferring a different manager longterm, it's not a full indictment of him possibly having strengths for us. I think recruitment was a selling card entering the job and might bode well at the closing of this window. His willingness to play youth is necessary for us and admirable. For a role as crucial as this the distinctions are granular and judged by the possible alternatives.
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Pittsburgh Footy
Player Valuation: £35m
Then what are we doing?
We have to stop with the sacking of managers, in general. Managers need time to get their style of play going, know who they can trust on the pitch, etc.
From a Frank specific standpoint, he's done plently to prove he deserves another season as long as he keeps us up. The metamorphosis of Iwobi. The finding out quickly about dead wood like Gomes. Recognizing we need to get younger, hungrier and recruit based on character. These are things we can build on.
Different situation, but Arteta looked out of his depth around Christmas last year and with one foot in the sack. But they looked pretty good second half of last season, and now they are really gelling.
Bottom line, some stability could do us a world of good.
Our only goal needs to be staying up, keeping the manager in tact, and start to give a glimmer of hope for next season
nonstripdzebra
Player Valuation: £1m
To me that then comes down to the prerequisites of the initial appointment that I was doubtful on I will admit. I too think a longer term commitment should be the MO, but its also important to do so with the right person. Be it prior experience and or enough testimonials, let alone signs of improvement to believe its worth the lumps. I think Lampard deserves time but I also would not be surprised if it didn't work out. Staying up is my personal expectation along with consistent patterns of play and development that seems promising. Im fairly assured we will be safe, the other facets I have doubts.
In relation to outcomes our safety last year was frankly status quo to what the expectation was when he got the job. When Lampard took over we had a 9% chance of going down. Without truly an unbelievable match that wouldn't have been achieved. There are other variables of course worth factoring but I also think its fair to say he did not raise us from the median expectation. He achieved it and deserves a spell this season to build upon and or show his capabilities.
Arteta and Arsenal are worth sighting in relation to stability. I think it's important also to note that Edu hired Arteta, whereas Thelwell came in after Frank. If there is a discussion of stability that is a key potential issue. I think its also equally important to compare manager to manager. Personally being the right hand man to the best manager of his generation who consistently praised Mikel (let alone informs his very specific football philosophy), his generally more analytical candor and players consistently noting his specificity and intention to detail is a far more attractive proposition than what I have seen in Frank thus far (considering both were primarily justified on potential and hypotheticals when hired).
I admit that might be preference but I don't think its an opinion without merit. The school, tactics and general additive qualities besides Lampard's charisma and standing in the game are still a questionmark. If this is a longterm project the thesis of him as a manager or his additive strengths has to become a little more clear for me to be assured in it longterm.
All that said he deserves post the window closing to do so.
Sign some to do the BLAMMOS
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We have no BLAMMOS
WE NEED THE BLAMMOS
Only on planet @davek mate. He'll walk because the club won't let him sign Morelles from Rangers. It'll be ok though, because Martinez, fresh from winning the World Cup with Belgium, will come in and rescue us.
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