2022/23 Frank Lampard

[ForeverEverton]

I agree. I think another managerial change could be the final nail in the coffin, but we know who our owner is and we know what he does.

On the other hand not changing, the board sitting on their hands, could also see us down...

 

[ForeverEverton]

Newcastle now 3rd.

Burn, Longstaff, Willock, Almiron, Wood, Murphy all in the side

The level of performance Howe is getting v Lampard is frightening.

100% this, one is tactically astute and gets more than the players are capable out of a team, Lampard is barely keeping this Everton side out of the relegation zone, should be doing so much better and IMO it is down to the manager.... simple as.

 

[MikeH72]

On the other hand not changing, the board sitting on their hands, could also see us down...

Oh we should act. We should sack the director of football who has utterly failed the manager in the summer by buying Dwight McNeil to replace our top scorer and refusing to try and buy a replacement for the ineffective and permanently crocked DCL. And for turning down a FORTY MILLION POUND BID for Duncan Watmore Anthony Gordon.

 

[brieverton]

I've said all along that eight points from our last four league games prior to the World Cup should be attainable for a team on the up - with five the bare minimum if the manager didn't want to find his position in real peril. We have four with one to play.

We're in big trouble. We have no attack - and as far as I am concerned, we have no midfield. If you want to make excuses for the manager with the forwards, I have limited sympathy. He made a big play on the importance of keeping the palpably inadequate Gordon - and put all his striking eggs in the Dominic Calvert-Lewin basket. Both preventable misjudgements. I have even less sympathy for the midfield situation, though. Gueye was another preventable mistake on current evidence, Garner has barely featured, and, frankly, he hasn't got enough out of Onana to this point.

I admire the work he's done with the central defence. But it's simply not enough. I see some bigging up Leicester - including the manager - but that's dissembling nonsense. Rodgers was fit for the sack a few games ago and they were bottom three. Progress, right now, is too slow. A win next week and cup progression is non-negotiable as far as I am concerned if anybody is to have any confidence in this guy. Had the manager a track record, I might feel it more worthwhile to persevere, but he doesn't. Stick with him, by all means, but accept that that might very well end in relegation. Because it might. There just isn't anything there to suggest persevering is anything more than an expedient punt. My personal view is I don't rate him, never did, and don't really care if he stays or goes. I wouldn't sack him - we hired him, so own the decision - but only because I no longer care if we go down or not. We're a zombie club, existing to merely exist.

Hard to argue with that. Hope we can pick up a point at Bournemouth.

Clearly, another managerial change should be avoided but not at all costs.

There seemed to be the suggestion that funds are available for January and it's imperative we get more goals into the side.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with consideration for mitigating circumstances.

He has boxed clever to a degree with the PR stuff, even though I'm not doubting his genuineness and desire to succeed.

There is a natural limit to that though without tangible improvement, of which there has been none, in results.

There has been progress in other areas but it's irrelevant if it doesn't translate to points on the board.

I hope for the clubs sake, that he can do enough to get us though this season and take stock then.

 

[Furey1878]

Hopefully we beat Bournemouth next week, and we can breath a sigh of relief over the winter break.

Get Lampard a half decent winger and more robust alternative to Calvert-Lewin and we'll look a lot better.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Oh we should act. We should sack the director of football who has utterly failed the manager in the summer by buying Dwight McNeil to replace our top scorer and refusing to try and buy a replacement for the ineffective and permanently crocked Dominic Calvert-Lewin. And for turning down a FORTY MILLION POUND BID for Duncan Watmore Anthony Gordon.

I’m still disputing that actually happened tbf

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I think last season we were helped by there being 3 or 4 other teams that were utterly awful, we might not get that same grace this season as most of the teams below us have started picking up points in games you wouldn't expect them to. If we lose to Bournemouth, it wouldn't surprise me to see the board act before the WC. Not that I think they should, but they have a record of sacking managers to try and relieve the pressure on themselves.

 

[ForeverEverton]

14 points from 42 this season - 3 wins and 6 defeats in 14

How does that compare to Lampard last season?
24 points from 63 - 8 wins and 11 defeats in 21 games

Looks to be carrying exactly the same despite 7 or 8 players coming in....... what hasn`t changed? The Manager!

It just isn`t improving, it just isn`t....

 

[GrandOldSte117]

yup

You know you can just like a post to agree?

 

[evilwebby]

My feeling is that we have clearly overstayed our welcome amongst the top flight and going down this season - not because we aren't good enough to stay up, but because we clearly just don't have the stomach for a fight. It'll be meek surrender to any team who shows more desire, any team who shows more abiility. Any time we go behind we lay down arms and surrender. Any time we take a lead we automatically go backs to the wall and try to protect that lead.

It's suicide mentality.

 

[Cool_Blue]

If they had been clinical it could have been a lot worse
We were all at sea last night

They should really have scored after 20 seconds lol

 

[mrb85]

For the first time since his appointment I'm starting to doubt Lampard. The side is marginally better than last seasons but that's mainly because of us buying a few better players. The fact is there has been barely any improvement in tactics, basic skills, finding space, having majority ball possession etc. I supported Lampard's appointment mainly because I believed he'd play more front-foot, pacy football than we'd seen from recent managers. That has unfortunately not proved to be the case. There's not a team around us playing with less aggression and pace or content just to nick a goal then hope for the best.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Some basically want us to follow the Watford method, hire for a few months, sack, hire, sack, hire, etc

Sacking Rafael was the right option. We just replaced him with another poor manager. Granted that Lampard could just be inexperienced but for this transition period we need someone with experience

 

[Drico]

Hard to argue with that. Hope we can pick up a point at Bournemouth.

Clearly, another managerial change should be avoided but not at all costs.

There seemed to be the suggestion that funds are available for January and it's imperative we get more goals into the side.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with consideration for mitigating circumstances.

He has boxed clever to a degree with the PR stuff, even though I'm not doubting his genuineness and desire to succeed.

There is a natural limit to that though without tangible improvement, of which there has been none, in results.

There has been progress in other areas but it's irrelevant if it doesn't translate to points on the board.

I hope for the clubs sake, that he can do enough to get us though this season and take stock then.

The current live league table demonstrates Lampard's problem. Last season, he "took us from 16th to 16th" and now, after 14 games, he has improved us to...16th.

Personally, I can see some progress, but it is clearly too slow. Though merely the current snapshot, the league table doesn't lie. It says that whatever improvement he has instigated, it is not fast enough to elevate us into a position higher than when he took us over. To be fair, a win over Bournemouth next week would probably push us into 12th or 13th for the World Cup - and that would suffice for now. I wouldn't sack him - but if he loses next weekend his tenure could well be in jeopardy. Bad defeats to Leicester and Bournemouth - direct relegation rivals - will ensure Moshiri's alarm bells will be flashing. And Roberto, Heaven help us, will be in the market for a new gig come the start of December...

 

[Dario Terracotta]

The current live league table demonstrates Lampard's problem. Last season, he "took us from 16th to 16th" and now, after 14 games, he has improved us to...16th.

Personally, I can see some progress, but it is clearly too slow. Though merely the current snapshot, the league table doesn't lie. It says that whatever improvement he has instigated, it is not fast enough to elevate us into a position higher than when he took us over. To be fair, a win over Bournemouth next week would probably push us into 12th or 13th for the World Cup - and that would suffice for now. I wouldn't sack him - but if he loses next weekend his tenure could well be in jeopardy. Bad defeats to Leicester and Bournemouth - direct relegation rivals - will ensure Moshiri's alarm bells will be flashing. And Roberto, Heaven help us, will be in the market for a new gig come the start of December...

Phenomenal.