2022/23 Frank Lampard

[adi dassler]

Bottom half yes but never in relegation zone
He was key to signing prime lukaku and little lungs deulofeu. But honestly deulofeu is better than anyone we have up front 100%.

Ah yes, bring back those halcyon days of Roberto…FFS

 

[Saint Domingo]

I read the first line and saw it was wrong, haven't read the rest. (But have seen someone write a very coherent and sensible rebuttal about benitez following your post). But in response to that first line.

Benitez was hired before our players even returned for pre season. Hardly middle of summer. He literally had a full preseason to work with a squad that finished 10th.

Huge difference between having a whole year to plan a transfer window, and being parachuted in for the start of pre season.

James Bernard Siggurdson Kean Walcott all left that summer (basically). That’s an entire attacking line up. Richarlison was coming back from Brazil and DCL got injured. In place of all those players we got Gray Townsend and Rondon.

It was a completely different proposition and situation than what Ancelotti had.

I know people hate Benitez but people can’t even view the situation objectively any more.

 

[evertony]

I don't think anyone wants to fire managers season on season. At the same time a manager can't be given time just for the hell of it. There has to be actual signs of a process and movement toward an end point. We're 30 something league games in with Frank and I think it is really hard to say what exactly it is he's trying to build here. So will more time change that?

No surprise at all that you think there’s been little evidence of change. Football, despite what is often said, is about way more than just results, especially at a Club like ours. Of course we all want results, but the amount of change there’s been off the pitch, and in getting certain stakeholders to realise that the carnage can’t continue has been colossal. The squad has been significantly changed, there’s been a huge dumping of detritus and we have a young, totally-engaged Manager working in unison with a DoF where previously we’ve had no cohesion at all in those departments.
After enduring Allardyce, Walsh, Koeman and Benitez the toxicity in the ground is gone and has been replaced by unity, encouragement and passion. Much of that is down to Lampard. We know he’ll make mistakes and we know the squad still isn’t good enough, but trusting the process is much more likely to yield positive results than the cycle of hire, sack, hire, sack, hire sack.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No surprise at all that you think there’s been little evidence of change. Football, despite what is often said, is about way more than just results, especially at a Club like ours. Of course we all want results, but the amount of change there’s been off the pitch, and in getting certain stakeholders to realise that the carnage can’t continue has been colossal. The squad has been significantly changed, there’s been a huge dumping of detritus and we have a young, totally-engaged Manager working in unison with a DoF where previously we’ve had no cohesion at all in those departments.
After enduring Allardyce, Walsh, Koeman and Benitez the toxicity in the ground is gone and has been replaced by unity, encouragement and passion. Much of that is down to Lampard. We know he’ll make mistakes and we know the squad still isn’t good enough, but trusting the process is much more likely to yield positive results than the cycle of hire, sack, hire, sack, hire sack.

You think my problem is with the results? You don't know me as well as you think I'm afraid.

 

[Aberblue]

Huge difference between having a whole year to plan a transfer window, and being parachuted in for the start of pre season.

James Bernard Siggurdson Kean Walcott all left that summer (basically). That’s an entire attacking line up. Richarlison was coming back from Brazil and Dominic Calvert-Lewin got injured. In place of all those players we got Gray Townsend and Rondon.

It was a completely different proposition and situation than what Ancelotti had.

I know people hate Benitez but people can’t even view the situation objectively any more.

Bernard, Walcott and Kean contributed very little to the side, and as for Siggy, he was a liability as often as not (it's typical that his last contribution to the team was missing a penalty). James was a loss, obviously, though he hardly played for us after mid February.

 

[evertony]

You think my problem is with the results? You don't know me as well as you think I'm afraid.

I’ll take that as a positive?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Bernard, Walcott and Kean contributed very little to the side, and as for Siggy, he was a liability as often as not (it's typical that his last contribution to the team was missing a penalty). James was a loss, obviously, though he hardly played for us after mid February.

They were limited players (aside from James) but we can’t just write off their entire contribution to Carlo’s teams.

James was one of the best number 10s in the world and a million miles ahead of every other player we had in that team. He got us points by himself. Him leaving was inevitable because we couldn’t afford him but we can’t pretend it didn’t leave a huge hole.

I was no fan of Siggurdson Bernard Walcott but they haven’t really been replaced and James Richarlison definitely haven’t

We’ve got Gray Gordon McNeil Townsend (injured) Maupay Rondon

The drop in wages is there to see but the drop in quality is absolutely enormous.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

No surprise at all that you think there’s been little evidence of change. Football, despite what is often said, is about way more than just results, especially at a Club like ours. Of course we all want results, but the amount of change there’s been off the pitch, and in getting certain stakeholders to realise that the carnage can’t continue has been colossal. The squad has been significantly changed, there’s been a huge dumping of detritus and we have a young, totally-engaged Manager working in unison with a DoF where previously we’ve had no cohesion at all in those departments.
After enduring Allardyce, Walsh, Koeman and Benitez the toxicity in the ground is gone and has been replaced by unity, encouragement and passion. Much of that is down to Lampard. We know he’ll make mistakes and we know the squad still isn’t good enough, but trusting the process is much more likely to yield positive results than the cycle of hire, sack, hire, sack, hire sack.

Will only fall on deaf ears this mate, we're in full on despair mode right now. We are actually at the point of praising Fat Sam and people still trying to defend Benitez

 

[banno]

Will only fall on deaf ears this mate, we're in full on despair mode right now. We are actually at the point of praising Fat Sam and people still trying to defend Benitez

Mate you are in the wrong thread. This is for the whingers because we lost against Leicester. Let them be and blow a little steam off and wait for our next victory and they will be queueing up to blow Lampard off (again).

 

[Egil Olsen]

Since Moshiri came into the picture, we have run the club as we were supposed to be Chelsea, albeit on a much lower scale. We have exclusively tried to buy our way to success, without really having a clear plan.

I remember back to the Moyes era, then we had a concept. We had an identity and it was quite predictable how the team was going to play from game to game. In Moyes, we also had a manager who was competent and who knew football. No nonsense. We lacked the capital to take the final step, but all in all, we did well in a heavier weight class.

This clarity has been lacking under Moshiri. We have had capital, but not a concept or competence. My concern is that, as of today, we have no capital either. In addition, I am very unsure of what Lampard's concept is. It is difficult to recognize a clear playing style (identity), and I am also very unsure whether he has the professional level that a PL manager should have. If we have neither capital, competence nor a concept, then alarm bells should ring.

However, it is entirely possible that Lampard and the club actually have a concept, although I don't see it, and it is possible that Lampard is a very competent manager, although there is not much evidence of that, and it may be that the money will float in the next transfer window, and then with a clear plan.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Since Moshiri came into the picture, we have run the club as we were supposed to be Chelsea, albeit on a much lower scale. We have exclusively tried to buy our way to success, without really having a clear plan.

I remember back to the Moyes era, then we had a concept. We had an identity and it was quite predictable how the team was going to play from game to game. In Moyes, we also had a manager who was competent and who knew football. No nonsense. We lacked the capital to take the final step, but all in all, we did well in a heavier weight class.

This clarity has been lacking under Moshiri. We have had capital, but not a concept or competence. My concern is that, as of today, we have no capital either. In addition, I am very unsure of what Lampard's concept is. It is difficult to recognize a clear playing style (identity), and I am also very unsure whether he has the professional level that a PL manager should have. If we have neither capital, competence nor a concept, then alarm bells should ring.

However, it is entirely possible that Lampard and the club actually have a concept, although I don't see it, and it is possible that Lampard is a very competent manager, although there is not much evidence of that, and it may be that the money will float in the next transfer window, and then with a clear plan.

Hey Egil, long time no chat.

Do you think Lampard should be sacked? What are your thoughts on perhaps reappointing Allardyce and letting him have a proper chance to take the club forward?

 

[DanEFC92]

Ah yes, bring back those halcyon days of Roberto…FFS
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The kip of that.

 

[Dougie]

Who do people want and who we would realistically have a chance of getting if Lampard is sacked?

 

[lungo]

People underrate how good Ancelotti was. He had us winning games away from home with Iwobi behind Siggurdson and 4 CBs at the back. He actually made Michael Keane look competent, won at Anfield with half our team out and for a period had Doucoure and Dominic Calvert-Lewin looking like top players. He then goes and wins the league and CL with Madrid becoming the only manager to win 4. He can literally make a claim to being one of the best, if not the best, managers of all time.

Benitez was always going to be worse than him, and he was always going to reap the problems of Ancelotti’s spending. James was apparently on well over 100k and we couldn’t sustain that, he was always going to go, then Siggurdson was unavailable (not that I ever rated him), Bernard wanted out, then Dominic Calvert-Lewin gets crocked for the whole season.

His remit wasn’t to build on Ancelotti’s foundations, we’d massively overstretched under Carlo and it hadn’t worked out. His job was to slash the wage bill and keep us in the league. It’s the same job Lampard has now.

He also lost against Fulham and Sheffield United at home. His later days were a disaster! Benitez got a "No Future" team and did miracles for a few month. Then it happend what almost was inevitable. Richarlison and a lot of luck did keep us up not fat Frank. Without Richarlison and with Frank at the helm there is only one direction Everton is going...

 

[Simon Buttle]

Who do people want and who we would realistically have a chance of getting if Lampard is sacked?

Lampard probably needs to stay for the moment just because we can't keep sacking managers. It's hard to say who is realistically approachable as you don't actually know until you make a move for that person. Our issue with managers is we always seem to want to go for the PL experience route which leaves us limited to a very small market, we need to be a bit more adventurous in the future imo.