2022/23 Frank Lampard

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TheBigIguana said:
It's the correct take, we needed a real midfielder in the role and not a mostly forward. We ended up with a two man midfield of Davies and Gomes. Disaster.
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I mean, it's 'a' take. But based off the limited evidence, Silva playing him there didn't make all that much difference.
 
Saint Domingo said:
It doesn’t have to be about factions forming around previous managers. You can both back Lampard and admit Allardyce did a decent job for what was needed at the time.

I’ve tried to back most of our previous managers, Koeman was the one I disliked the most as I felt he literally couldn’t care less. He also had the most favourable conditions of any Everton manager in our modern history and put a millstone round our neck that we still haven’t got free of. He’s the worst Everton manager by a long long way.
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Big Scam was fine stop gap. Never got the fume with him. However the issue always was the expectations behind spending £300million. The same with Silva and his £200million.

Koeman was IMO our worst ever manager due to the outlay under his watch and the blase manor of it.

While Koeman was putting us on death row...the Fat Spanish Man was walking us to the electric chair. So he top trumps
 

Moomin said:
Making more excuses here for Lampard.

Howe took over a team that hadn't won a game all season.

Howe beat Burnley in his 5th game and in them first 11 games he got beat by Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City and Leicester City. The rest were draws.

In the 27 games he managed Newcastle last season he got beat 9 times with 13 victories.

Frank in his 32 games from both seasons its 9 wins.
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Well we'll have to disagree on accepting that spending £200million over 2 transfer windows had a contributing factor in Eddie Howe doing a decent job.

I'm judging super Frank on these 14 games and this season. Last season is an exempt nightmare I want erased from history
 
kenada_blue said:
Well we'll have to disagree on accepting that spending £200million over 2 transfer windows had a contributing factor in Eddie Howe doing a decent job.

I'm judging super Frank on these 14 games and this season. Last season is an exempt nightmare I want erased from history
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And I'm saying spending money doesn't guarantee success.

Exhibit A - Everton transfer windows 2016 - 2020

Exhibit B - Lampard spending summer window 2020
 
kenada_blue said:
Big Scam was fine stop gap. Never got the fume with him. However the issue always was the expectations behind spending £300million. The same with Silva and his £200million.

Koeman was IMO our worst ever manager due to the outlay under his watch and the blase manor of it.

While Koeman was putting us on death row...the Fat Spanish Man was walking us to the electric chair. So he top trumps
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Without opening up a complete can of worms:

Benitez was parachuted in the middle of the summer and was given 1.5 mill to spend. It’s also now clear from our financial situation that we were never going to be able to keep James on those wages even if we’d wanted to. He also had to make do with utter clowns at the back like Keane Holgate Coleman and Kenny. Yes the results were terrible and the fracture with the fanbase didn’t help either, but I always had some understanding that the conditions he was working under were some of the worst in the premier league (a major problem being our deluded fanbase still think we should be about 6th if we just play the fight formation and have a go a bit more, amazing how 6 managers now haven’t cracked that)

Koeman on the other hand was given time to plan, a squad containing Lukaku Barkley Mirallas Stones and then a blank cheque from Moshiri to buy whoever he wanted. Somehow by the end of his tenure he’s not only sold Lukaku Stones Barkley but had lumbered us with Keane Schneiderlin Martina Klaasen Siggurdson Sandro Vlasic Rooney Bolasie all on big wages.

The team he handed over to Allardyce was one of the worst in the league with one of the worst defences and he saddled us with debt that is still killing the club to this day.

I know people dislike Benitez more but honestly when you put emotion aside the damage the two did just aren’t comparable. Koeman is the architect of the majority of the problems we find ourselves in now. It would be one thing wasting the opportunity we had under him (which he did) the opportunity loss from that alone (not getting into europe, player resale values etc.) is bad enough but he actually went even worse and nosedived us into financial oblivion.

Sold all the Crown Jewels, took all our money, left us with one of the worst squads in the league all on massive wages over long contracts we couldn’t get out of. He absolutely screwed he.
 
Moomin said:
And I'm saying spending money doesn't guarantee success.

Exhibit A - Everton transfer windows 2016 - 2020

Exhibit B - Lampard spending summer window 2020
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But it helps getting out of a relegation battle doesn't it...

In context to 2 teams fighting a relegation battle. Both achieved staying up. One spent £90million and did it more convincingly.

Yet Lampard isn't doing what Eddie Howe is doing and getting battered for it
 
kenada_blue said:
But it helps getting out of a relegation battle doesn't it...

In context to 2 teams fighting a relegation battle. Both achieved staying up. One spent £90million and did it more convincingly.

Yet Lampard isn't doing what Eddie Howe is doing and getting battered for it
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We have the 7th highest wage bill in the league.

We have spent a fortune and regressed.

At this moment in time Lampard is not getting results, we look awful to watch. I fear he is on borrowed time.
 

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