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leonbil said:
the gun control issue in America is much like the war on terror and pre-emptive strikes, the death penalty and pro-life and other such US policies (or potential policies) - they're aren't the real issue, they're symptomatic of the people.

Republicans usually increase the divide between the rich and the poor, making the poor yet poorer and the rich even richer - yet poor people regularly vote for them.

strange?

No.

Its all down to the real fundamental problem. The education system combined with American culture. All that pledging alliegance and thinking America is the best in the world and beloved of all countries - coming out of school with a totally insular and myopic view of the world outside of your own borders, fed by the hollywood propaganda machine and total inability to think for yourselves

A terrible mix of feudal dynasty (I know we english can't criticise too much with a monarchy but...) and religion in politics, a huge chasm between those below the poverty line and the significantly rich, a media that is amongst the most tightly sewn up in the western world, as far as disseminating alternative political and cultural perspectives (though they would argue that is down to the market - i.e people like to tune in to listen to what they have been told is the truth previously) and more than likely the dumbest electorate in the western world bar none.

so yes, guns don't kill people they reduce crime.

We invaded iraq because Saddam WAS part of Al Qaieda and he was a brutal dictator. It WAS a humanitarian mission.

the USA is protecting the free west from lots of bad people. It DOES provide the blanket of freedom we sleep under each night (my favourite that one).

Invading iraq hasn't helped recruit more people into Al Qaieda. Nor has it turned a country where fundamentalism was brutally subdued into a religous fanatical hotbed of insurrection aimed at the west and a new hotspot of potential terrorist cells.

Jesus really was a jewish carpenter who became the son of god and preached peace (best ignore that) and his teachings helped distill part of the bible which is infallible and cannot be questioned, and is as relevant now in the age of the mobile phone, spaceship and nuclear weapon as it was in ancient judea.

Same as the US constitution cannot and should not be changed, cos evolution is a bad thing and them boys could predict events like columbine in their little crystal balls.

Same as intelligent design is a theory that hasn't been proven or disproven much like the theory of evolution.

Religion, politics, Imperialism, Capitalism and Nuclear Weapons really do go well together.

And we all sleep safer knowing america has the freehold on enlightenment.
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Wow Leonbil, you really covered all the left wing talking points on that one. I really don't know what to say.

I'm guessing your not too fond of my country or anything associated with it then? ;)
 
TX Bill said:
Wow Leonbil, you really covered all the left wing talking points on that one. I really don't know what to say.

I'm guessing your not too fond of my country or anything associated with it then? ;)
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I've eaten fast food, but its fairly crap and the english are so wank in the service industry that you have to wait 15 minutes to get a burger in England anyway.

American Art, Literature and alot of its music is incredible and amongst the best in the world, however so much of this thought, creativity and expression( a huge majority) is contrary to the political thought of the right wing power base.

jesus, I hate politics, up the blues.
 

CT jr. said:
Macdonalds and obesity is a much larger problem than guns. All the [Poor language removed] they dump in their food is ridiculous.
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Served with mayo, a side salad and a porton of fries in a happy meal, not bad, ok I lie puke:angry: . I always convinced my daughter that the correct pronounciation was Muckdonalds, it is also a more accurate description(y)
 
monty said:
Served with mayo, a side salad and a porton of fries in a happy meal, not bad, ok I lie puke:angry: . I always convinced my daughter that the correct pronounciation was Muckdonalds, it is also a more accurate description(y)
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I think the only remotely edible things they have there are their napkins. Do you know that one of their SALADS has more sugar or about the same as their drinks
 
CT jr. said:
I think the only remotely edible things they have there are their napkins. Do you know that one of their SALADS has more sugar or about the same as their drinks
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Is that because its covered in Coke????
 

monty said:
Well done Chico, whilst I don't agree with the resulting attack on the states it was still well thought out and very well presented.

The aim of this thread is basically 'guns in society and how do we control them', the only logical answer is we don't because we can't. Gun control laws that exist in the UK aren't worth a fig, they could not prevent the death of young Rhys Jones (RIP). If anyone wants a gun these days they only have to ask Mr Baddie and they virtually get a catalogue and are asked to pick a colour within your price range. I can see guns becoming even more common here because once the 'right to use reasonable force' rules come in more guns will fall into the hands of Joe Public, we will end up more like the USA rather than them like us:unsure: :(
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So would you agree with my idea of banning the creation of guns? the making of them for the public market?

As I said, it would take hundreds of years to work, but as long as they are being made thousands every day then they will be easy to get hold of.
 
Rob said:
So would you agree with my idea of banning the creation of guns? the making of them for the public market?

As I said, it would take hundreds of years to work, but as long as they are being made thousands every day then they will be easy to get hold of.
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Yes I would back that, now where do we start?????
 
cant stop north korea producing 'super dollars' so certainly cant stop them producing hand guns, and whos going to check every last factory in russia to make sure kalashnikov rifles arent being manufactured anymore and that the stock piles that find their way to africa are destroyed?

theres a man called mark thomas that bought weapons from a british company based in britain and showed how it was possible to export them to africa, (for a channel 4 program)

why stop at guns? how many new planes did the saudis buy?
 
I like the occassional Filet O' Fish but no doubt that we have a fast food epidemic over here.

Leonbil, maybe we could talk politics over a Big Mac meal then? :lol:
 

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